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According to Autotrader......Nissan covers Leaf batteries for five years or 60,000 miles against degradation of capacity, or the ability to hold a charge. If the battery pack's capacity falls below 70 percent during that term, Nissan will replace it. Furthermore, Nissan Leaf batteries are covered against defects for eight years or 100,000 miles.
The problem comes into place when you hit the 5 years and the battery won't hold over, say 50%.
This was his scenario. But Nissan did replace the battery on good faith. I don't believe they were under any obligation.
Interesting. Warranties are murky. The owner’s manual claims different, but we all know how that goes when you have a problem. Also, Nissan is one of the few manufacturers who uses air-cooling rather than liquid cooking. https://owners.nissanusa.com/content...ty-booklet.pdf
Ford, please make a plug-in F-series. Call it the F-100 or F-100e if you need to. It doesn’t need to be able to tow 18,000 lbs.
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(EV batteries are required to have a 8 year,100k mile warranty).
where is that written in stone? There is some companies touting that for marketing but that's not a DOT requirement for sale in the US. At least not that I've seen of yet.
Was it 3 years, 5 years, or No years as it was made up Anti- EV nonsense. Also Nissan screwed the pooch by not having liquid cooling on the batteries. Tesla batteries are far superior for 20 different reasons including liquid cooling keeps them at a nice temp constantly so they don't degrade. There are quite a few high mileage Teslas at this point and the data is showing 10% degradation at 200k+ Miles. Its predicted they will have 80%+ capacity at 500,000 miles. Ford can use this same tech and build an excellent electric vehicle if they chose to.
Here is what I would Fork out my cash for today if it existed. By my calculations an F-150 would be around 500Wh per mile. I currently use 240Wh per mile in my Tesla Model 3.
F-150 SuperCrew 5.5ft Bed
2 or 4 Electric Motors (Front/Rear or at all 4 wheels)
55Kwh Battery Pack computer limited to 50Kwh
100 mile all electric range unloaded (75 mi range Towing 5000lbs) (50 mi range towing 10,000lbs)
Roughly 100hp engine acting as a range extender. Only hooked up to a generator to send electricity to electric motors and battery pack.
Other options would be to get a larger battery pack and smaller or no range extender and setup a lease agreement between Ford and Tesla for supercharger use.
These may be only words to most of you on here but I drive a Tesla everyday and see first hand how far electric vehicles has come. I've also towed a 5,000 lb boat and trailer with a Tesla model X about a month ago and you all would fall in love with that electric torque on day one.
Was it 3 years, 5 years, or No years as it was made up Anti- EV nonsense.....
That's an arrogant thing to say. It was not "made up" as his car was purchased used at about two years old and his battery went south about three years later. Like I said, his Nissan dealer went to bat for him because he had purchased two Nissans from him. The battery was replaced by Nissan. I believe the total cost was near $6,000.
I'm not "Anti- EV" and I was just sharing information that the batteries don't last indefinitely and I was very surprised at their replacement cost.
The cars performance has to be experienced firsthand to really appreciate where the technologically is now. Instant power.
By-the-way, a tornado finished the car off in March.
Batteries are getting better every year. Higher capacity, longer durability, better safety. Remember, there's a big difference in Li-Ion batteries used in cell phones that will ignite if charged incorrectly, and the LiPo batteries used in vehicles that so far have proven safe, and have only ignited when physically damaged in collisions. http://blog.ravpower.com/2017/06/lit...mer-batteries/
That is primarily due to advanced management systems. Go to an RC track with LiPo batteries and you will be required to charge them in a fireproof bag. Heck, even storage can cause issues (and that is the reason I do not run LiPos even though they are lighter and produce a much flatter power curve).
That is primarily due to advanced management systems. Go to an RC track with LiPo batteries and you will be required to charge them in a fireproof bag. Heck, even storage can cause issues (and that is the reason I do not run LiPos even though they are lighter and produce a much flatter power curve).
A coworker brought up a battery pack that was in our server room. It came out of a Macbook. It expanded so much that it broke through the case and had the encapsulation broke on it exposing the lithium to air, we could have lost the computer room. The batteries are only as safe as what is around to protect them from punctures. Once punctured and oxygen can reach the lithium, it is all over but the burning.
When Richard Hammond wrecked that Concept_One EV, it burned for 3 days. They put the fire out, only to have another cell ignite later. I use LiPo batteries in a couple planes, and I treat them with great respect, store them in a sealed ammo can, if one were to go up, it would quickly go out as there is not much oxygen in the sealed can, but I wouldn't be able to open it as it would re-ignite as soon as air hit it. I have over $1000 in batteries in that one can. That equates to about 20 minutes flying time in one plane.
well the biggest difference is the pure capacity to burn hotter. As Boeing how that works out past the 24AHr level.
Tesla so far has gotten lucky in that they have the everyone thinks they're still awesome so nobody questions their issues life. But there are reports of Model S cars that have hit things in the road or other instances where the car has caught fire. Admittedly few - and yes now that 5 years of design evolution in the battery build up as led to better products. None of that is what I really question.
If they make one I'd rather it started life in the ranger platform that is smaller - and in an AL bodied ranger but I digress there. I'd also like it to start life as RWD only - battery under floor and under hood with a small 2 or 3 cylinder range extender generator. Short of ford going out to ______ for a small turbine. say GE or Williams or Honeywell.
I think it would be rather nice oh and priced at 35K for a crew cab - plain seats - LED headlamps - sync 3 or 4 - and who knows what else.
That's an arrogant thing to say. It was not "made up" as his car was purchased used at about two years old and his battery went south about three years later. Like I said, his Nissan dealer went to bat for him because he had purchased two Nissans from him. The battery was replaced by Nissan. I believe the total cost was near $6,000.
I'm not "Anti- EV" and I was just sharing information that the batteries don't last indefinitely and I was very surprised at their replacement cost.
The cars performance has to be experienced firsthand to really appreciate where the technologically is now. Instant power.
By-the-way, a tornado finished the car off in March.
It's not arrogant at all. First you said 3 years, then shortly after you changed to 5 years. Anti-EV propaganda is everywhere and including in this thread so how else should one take 2 contradictory statements? I am glad to hear you are not anti-EV. Batteries in electric cars based on price should be directly compared to car engines. They will be the most expensive part of that car.
well the biggest difference is the pure capacity to burn hotter. As Boeing how that works out past the 24AHr level.
Tesla so far has gotten lucky in that they have the everyone thinks they're still awesome so nobody questions their issues life. But there are reports of Model S cars that have hit things in the road or other instances where the car has caught fire. Admittedly few - and yes now that 5 years of design evolution in the battery build up as led to better products. None of that is what I really question.
If they make one I'd rather it started life in the ranger platform that is smaller - and in an AL bodied ranger but I digress there. I'd also like it to start life as RWD only - battery under floor and under hood with a small 2 or 3 cylinder range extender generator. Short of ford going out to ______ for a small turbine. say GE or Williams or Honeywell.
I think it would be rather nice oh and priced at 35K for a crew cab - plain seats - LED headlamps - sync 3 or 4 - and who knows what else.
A battery powered vehicle having a fire incident is newsworthy. A gasoline powered vehicle having a fire is newsworthy only if it stops traffic
Through 2015 300,000 Teslas on the road have been driven a total of 7.5 billion miles, and about 40 fires have been reported. That works out to five fires for every billion miles traveled, compared to a rate of 55 fires per billion miles traveled in gasoline cars.
It may be wise for ford to develop this in a ranger body first simply because rangers sell in smaller numbers and being a smaller rig in general it would go farther on battery power. I could certainly get behind a small electric work truck.
08-22-2018, 09:13 PM
