Please Ford, make me a PHEV F150
08-03-2018, 01:39 AM
#41
Senior Member
Hey Ford.
I would love to have a Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle F150. Supercrew, with the following features:
Thoughts?
I would love to have a Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle F150. Supercrew, with the following features:
- 2.3L I4 Ecoboost engine, used to recharge the batteries and as a range extender
- 2 or 4 electric motors. 1 for each wheel, depending on rear-wheel or all-wheel drive
- enough battery for 80km/50 miles of electric drive range.
- plug-in so that I can top off the batteries at home, work, etc
- with the existing payload and towing features of current F150s
- no more transmission, center drive shafts, differentials
Thoughts?
I'd love it if it was well developed and worked perfectly. I would refute that the 2.3L couldn't output enough juice to pull a trailer. Obviously, if it's a huge load up a long *** hill the 2.3L will choke, but the battery and electrics should be able to accelerate a reasonable load to cruise at about level then the genset should make enough to charge the batteries and overcome friction, drag, etc. I would also love if they made a super duty version, with like 400hp x4 independent drive, and 350kw/h batteries. Something like that will be a long way away though.
I think electric car development will continue for the foreseeable future and I suspect they will eventually, maybe even by accident, make a better EV than ICE. Once they do that we will want it, demand it, and ICE's will eventually become as obsolete as using a horse for daily transport. I think though it will take a lot longer than some of the EV fanboys think it will (smell my
Also, I would love to see these features in a PHEV F-150:
- Use the truck battery/genset for high powered accessories like power big tools, ~5hp water pumps, maybe even mini-sized equipment, as well as appliances like washer/dryer and even run a heater overnight without running the genset.
- Since we're going 4 independent drives adding 4 wheel steering would be relatively easy and BA!!
- All the trailers I hookup to I want to have a battery pack in it so my battery range isn't as sunk
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scramboleer (08-14-2018)
08-06-2018, 12:09 PM
#42
Senior Member
issue I have is the overall cost of all the batteries and the work that goes into them. I have this argument with another guy that's a EV nut. End user power use is always looked at and people stop there. If everyone had an electric car tommorw the over all add to the power grid would .... insert various forms of hyperbole and the like.
But ask someone about the total production package. your tesla today has batteries in there that were made in Nevada right - well hold on. the lithium sheets for the battery came from where - OH Right Panasonic Japan, OK and the lithium for those sheets is pure right or 98% pure Lithium - where did that come from - not Japan. OH Canada, Russia, China, and uhm Mexico - Ok so it's then shipped to japan refined again - rolled - and packaged for battery production. Oh so there's a gel matrix in the battery cell - what is that again. Well often is a base polymer and it can be recycled materials - as such those I think might be made in nevada now. But how much energy did all that cost to get your battery pack to where it was useable?
Now for the rest of the car, etc etc
But ask someone about the total production package. your tesla today has batteries in there that were made in Nevada right - well hold on. the lithium sheets for the battery came from where - OH Right Panasonic Japan, OK and the lithium for those sheets is pure right or 98% pure Lithium - where did that come from - not Japan. OH Canada, Russia, China, and uhm Mexico - Ok so it's then shipped to japan refined again - rolled - and packaged for battery production. Oh so there's a gel matrix in the battery cell - what is that again. Well often is a base polymer and it can be recycled materials - as such those I think might be made in nevada now. But how much energy did all that cost to get your battery pack to where it was useable?
Now for the rest of the car, etc etc
08-06-2018, 09:34 PM
#43
Majority of Lithium comes from South America, so it has to be shipped to Japan, or Korea, or China, or to any of those countries that process it, then shipped again to be assembled. Like I said before, so called "Green" is not exactly true. The environmental disasters that can occur from mining, and pre-processing these materials, among other things, can be quite bad considering where some of the mining occurs in countries with no EPA. Then there are some materials that are mined in countries where people are forced to work for no pay, even though the amount is minute, it is still there.
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scramboleer (08-14-2018)
08-14-2018, 01:51 PM
#44
Great thread. I'm new here, but been in Ford trucks all my life. In fact the 1930 Model A (see avatar) took my brother, sister, and I home from the hospital after birth. I digress.
I too would be very interested in a plug-in electric pickup. 30 miles of electric range would be awesome and the rest gas. As other mentioned, electric motors are what power locomotives (with diesel generation). Even if it couldn't meet all of the current specs of the full range of the F-150, how about a F-100 plug-in hybrid truck?
Several years ago at work, we had a prototype Dodge (RAM) plug-in hybrid truck. It was sweet. Car and Driver article on plug-in RAM trucks
Ford has talked about the 2020 F-150 also being offered as a hybrid, but not a plug-in.
I too would be very interested in a plug-in electric pickup. 30 miles of electric range would be awesome and the rest gas. As other mentioned, electric motors are what power locomotives (with diesel generation). Even if it couldn't meet all of the current specs of the full range of the F-150, how about a F-100 plug-in hybrid truck?
Several years ago at work, we had a prototype Dodge (RAM) plug-in hybrid truck. It was sweet. Car and Driver article on plug-in RAM trucks
Ford has talked about the 2020 F-150 also being offered as a hybrid, but not a plug-in.
08-14-2018, 03:38 PM
#45
There's one that a company makes but I think they use a Silverado body and rebadge it. The good thing is that the truck can support a ton of batteries, especially with the engine removed. But don't expect much payload.
There's also this in Canada : http://www.havelaarcanada.com/bison/
And this: https://workhorse.com/pickup/
There's also this in Canada : http://www.havelaarcanada.com/bison/
And this: https://workhorse.com/pickup/
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scramboleer (08-14-2018)
08-14-2018, 03:38 PM
#46
I just typed a huge reply and somehow I deleted it. Not doing that again. bottom lines are. energy creation is getting greener by the day. Any piece of transportation that goes electric will help the environment no matter what conspiracy theory people want to say. You can make up any false claims you want about how electric cars are supposedly dirtier than gas. less and less people will believe that nonsense every day. I own 3 vehicles 11 f-150, 01 jeep tj , and 18 tesla. My tesla is charged by the 9.5kwh solar system on my roof. I cant wait for an electric truck. Id pay serious cash for a f-250 sized fully electric or even plug in electric truck.
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scramboleer (08-14-2018)
08-14-2018, 03:48 PM
#47
Junior Member
While not “free”, energy can be generated without exchanging carbon; solar, wind, hydro and geothermal are all carbon neutral.
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scramboleer (08-14-2018)
08-14-2018, 05:05 PM
#48
Senior Member
stop worrying about the "carbon" and start worrying about the overall impact. Oh the carbon what about the chemicals used to make solar panels or the energy used to produce them? OH that's in chana it's OK.
What about the costs of all the wind farms - set up and cost of transmission lines for the power? I don't so much have an issue with it but what is the ROI of a wind farm that's hundreds of miles away from it's area of use?
why then aren't there more on top of factories? Oh right they got tax incentives to put in solar cells made in china and wind turbines on top shade over those solar cells.
Meanwhile I think a plug in hybrid of any vehicle is a decent enough idea including a pick up truck.
What about the costs of all the wind farms - set up and cost of transmission lines for the power? I don't so much have an issue with it but what is the ROI of a wind farm that's hundreds of miles away from it's area of use?
why then aren't there more on top of factories? Oh right they got tax incentives to put in solar cells made in china and wind turbines on top shade over those solar cells.
Meanwhile I think a plug in hybrid of any vehicle is a decent enough idea including a pick up truck.
08-14-2018, 05:14 PM
#49
Senior Member
Batteries are getting better every year. Higher capacity, longer durability, better safety. Remember, there's a big difference in Li-Ion batteries used in cell phones that will ignite if charged incorrectly, and the LiPo batteries used in vehicles that so far have proven safe, and have only ignited when physically damaged in collisions.
http://blog.ravpower.com/2017/06/lit...mer-batteries/
This is almost exactly what I was talking about, and very similar to what Workhorse is looking to provide. Now, if only they made a SuperCrew sized chassis...
Those of us living in Pacific Northwest US, BC, and Quebec, are enjoying the clean electricity produced by our hydro-electric dams. While dams do have an environmental footprint, especially during construction, once they're up and running, the power they produce doesn't get any cleaner.
Canada produces 60% of it's power from dams, 15% nuclear, and just under 10% from coal.
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/facts/electricity/20068
In the US, it's 31% Natural Gas (which burns very clean), 30% coal, 20% nuclear, 7.5% hydro
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Again, I'm not asking for Ford to only build PHEV trucks, just saying it would be awesome if they did develop one for those whose personal and work lifestyle would match the benefits and limitations of said vehicle. Just like they produce different lines, from XL to Limited, this would be just another trim model.
Thanks for all the comments guys.
Tony
http://blog.ravpower.com/2017/06/lit...mer-batteries/
This is almost exactly what I was talking about, and very similar to what Workhorse is looking to provide. Now, if only they made a SuperCrew sized chassis...
Those of us living in Pacific Northwest US, BC, and Quebec, are enjoying the clean electricity produced by our hydro-electric dams. While dams do have an environmental footprint, especially during construction, once they're up and running, the power they produce doesn't get any cleaner.
Canada produces 60% of it's power from dams, 15% nuclear, and just under 10% from coal.
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/facts/electricity/20068
In the US, it's 31% Natural Gas (which burns very clean), 30% coal, 20% nuclear, 7.5% hydro
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Again, I'm not asking for Ford to only build PHEV trucks, just saying it would be awesome if they did develop one for those whose personal and work lifestyle would match the benefits and limitations of said vehicle. Just like they produce different lines, from XL to Limited, this would be just another trim model.
Thanks for all the comments guys.
Tony
08-14-2018, 05:18 PM
#50
electric haul truck
Towing?
How much capacity do you think a truck could have after accounting for all the weight of the batteries to make it capable of doing so?
The best possible arrangement for something like this to possibly work, is a small turbodiesel genset. It will constantly run at whatever rpm needed to power the generator for direct drive to charge batteries and/or run the electric motors.
I do not see a hybrid as you describe viable for pulling anything more than 3,000lbs or so with any sort of range whatsoever.
How much capacity do you think a truck could have after accounting for all the weight of the batteries to make it capable of doing so?
The best possible arrangement for something like this to possibly work, is a small turbodiesel genset. It will constantly run at whatever rpm needed to power the generator for direct drive to charge batteries and/or run the electric motors.
I do not see a hybrid as you describe viable for pulling anything more than 3,000lbs or so with any sort of range whatsoever.
I am not saying your off the mark with a pickup , Cat has a 795F haul truck that carries a max of 345 tons at 40 mph. No batteries at all, more like a train locomotive.
https://www.cat.com/en_US/products/n.../18232553.html We had one for a test at the mine I worked for a month. We used it like everything else in the mine, like we stole it. It preformed as well as any of our diesel trucks, with the 3516's in them. As for longevity I do not know.
I agree that loosing the transmission and going to traction motors on two wheels would be the best approach. I see no point in FWD for a street truck. I drove service trucks about in WIsconsin and Minnesota, never had a problem with 2 wheel drive trucks were all F350 and F450's. The snow and ice slowed us down and we choose not to drive sometimes not often. So long ago I do not remember if I had chains.
Until there is a better battery we will not be seeing the advent of a production work electric.
I love my "11 ecoboost, it does everything I need. How ever if I were to buy another vehicle I am pretty sure it would be a late "90's" I spent 45 years in the electrical trade and I want simpler not more complex. Never owned a scanner until this truck.
my view from the cheap seats