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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAltitude
I have not experimented with lower air pressure. However, the objective in snow is to reduce the area of the tire contact patch so that the tire penetrates more and better achieves contact with pavement. This is why narrow tires are better in snow. I think people assume that lower air pressure is good on snow because low pressure is better on sand, but low pressure increases the size of the contact patch which is counterproductive in snow.
Your explanation fails for narrow tires. Narrow tires have the same contact area as a wide tire when inflated to the same pressure.
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by etekberg
Your explanation fails for narrow tires. Narrow tires have the same contact area as a wide tire when inflated to the same pressure.
Yes, but narrow tires have a contact patch running with path of the vehicle letting them sink in the snow more.

Wider tires have a contact patch that is wider running sideways to vehicle travel and will not sink in the snow as much.
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 05:17 PM
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Which HankookDynapro are you guys using? Saying DynaPro, is like saying Wrangler, WildPeak, and others.
I've got the crap ATm's. I see they have an iPike, that is rated with the 3 peak/snowflake logo. That one looks like it might be a lot better than the OEM, ATm. A lot of siping, [tractionizing], on that model.
I'm running the factory tires and so far they have been great.
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil48315
None.

I have a rubber mat 75-80lbs, a 2x6 board to keep stuff at the back.
And a tri-fold cover.

Maybe 115-125lbs total, and don't really need anything else.

I did pick up 7 50lb bags of salt/deicer last week 350lbs total.
But roads were still dry, truck sure did ride nice though got rid of the bounce in the back!

I have the Ford heavy duty rubber mat for short bed a Extang trifecta and I believe the last time I checked the shipping weights the mat was about 38 lbs and the Extang about 29 lbs.
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by etekberg
Your explanation fails for narrow tires. Narrow tires have the same contact area as a wide tire when inflated to the same pressure.
So do you believe a fingerprint is the same as a footprint? A tennis shoe is the same as a snowshoe?
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by winged1dur
So do you believe a fingerprint is the same as a footprint? A tennis shoe is the same as a snowshoe?
You are actually reinforcing etekberg's point. A snowshoe is larger than a tennis shoe, and so it exerts less pressure per square inch than a tennis shoe does when under the same weight. The snowshoe is akin to a tire with less inflation.
The amount of ground contact under tires will always be the same with the same weight of vehicle and with the same tire inflation, irrespective of the type (or number) of tires.
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAltitude
No. As an example, carry the logic to an expreme. If you applied 1000 pounds to a bicycle tire vs a motorcycle tire, the motorcycle tire would have a larger contact patch because motorcycle tires are wider.
Actually, no. If you applied the same downward force to each tire, and if each tire was inflated to the same pressure, they would both have the same contact area.
If you applied 1,000 lbs. of weight on each, and if each was inflated to 50 psi, then each would have 20 square inches of contact area (unless the bicycle tire had burst by that point).
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAltitude
No. As an example, carry the logic to an expreme. If you applied 1000 pounds to a bicycle tire vs a motorcycle tire, the motorcycle tire would have a larger contact patch because motorcycle tires are wider.

But don't take my word for it. Read what the tire experts say about wide vs narrow tires in snow.

On a related variation of the same principle, less tire diameter is better than more diameter in snow, all other things being equal because the contact patch is smaller.

All this may seem counterintuitive if one applies tire performance off-road and on sand as an indicator of performance on snow.
he is correct, thinner winter tires are better
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 07:33 PM
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Nobody uses chains anymore?
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Old Dec 18, 2017 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mortier
Nobody uses chains anymore?
The chains cannot contact the road surface here in Michigan, same with studs, so we don't use them onroad. Offroad they're sometimes used.
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