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Old Apr 15, 2021 | 01:23 AM
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Either way you are way out of the 3/36 warranty. As that's 6 model years ago.

It's all in mil build and applications. Edges, corners, low areas, etc tend to have less mil build than large flat areas. Ending up with way less uv protection. This will penetrate all the way down to the e coat. And leave the e coat. Application problems can be as simple as one layer under not being fully flashed out. Example. If you see clear coat peeling off the color, typically it's in dime or quarter size areas. That means the color coat was not fully dry. Solvents are trapped. And they migrate under the clear. All it will need is a tap on that area. And the clear will let go. Now picture that with the sealer. Low Mil build plus not thoroughly flashed off? Recipe for a peeler. Thing is, you can go years before it shows up. Roof seam issues can be from the seam sealer not bring fully dry. Factories can rush things. And you literally should never rush paint

I've seen/see this constantly, as an auto painter for 22+ years. Worked at the dealership for nearly every car make. I was at Ford for 7 years.

Not sure why mostly white. That's not a rule. There are many exceptions. But Google Toyota white peeling paint. Hyundai(pic is from one of the painters groups I'm in).

I have a theory. What factory was the truck built in?
It has an extended warranty on it but, you're right; it still doesn't matter. I was thinking of an adhesion issue before paint and clear being applied as the paint can literally be peeled off by hand; however, I am not a painter, so I don't want to speculate too much. Your comparison makes a lot of sense, though. I started looking up white paint defects from other manufactures, and sure enough, saw a lot of the same damage I have. I ran into a couple of class-action lawsuits as well that were settled with Toyota and Nissan. It looks like it's the same issue that others and I are having with our trucks. I absolutely agree that paint should never be rushed, according to my VIN, it was manufactured in KC. The 11th letter is K in case I accidentally looked at a wrong VIN decoder.
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Old Apr 15, 2021 | 02:00 AM
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Yes, I agree, the truck was initially leased and then we bought it out with an extended warranty which of course does not cover the paint. It's pretty wild that paint is only good for 3 years or 36,000 miles on vehicles these days.
3/36 isn't the limit on how long your paint lasts. That's just the length of the bumper to bumper warranty. That's been the normal warranty period as long as I've been in the industry
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Old Apr 15, 2021 | 02:06 AM
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It has an extended warranty on it but, you're right; it still doesn't matter. I was thinking of an adhesion issue before paint and clear being applied as the paint can literally be peeled off by hand; however, I am not a painter, so I don't want to speculate too much. Your comparison makes a lot of sense, though. I started looking up white paint defects from other manufactures, and sure enough, saw a lot of the same damage I have. I ran into a couple of class-action lawsuits as well that were settled with Toyota and Nissan. It looks like it's the same issue that others and I are having with our trucks. I absolutely agree that paint should never be rushed, according to my VIN, it was manufactured in KC. The 11th letter is K in case I accidentally looked at a wrong VIN decoder.
KC was my guess. I live in the Midwest now for the last 7 years. But previously I lived in MA. Out in MA I only really saw Dearborn trucks. When i moved to WI/MN I saw a 50/50 mix. I noticed more paint issues with the KC trucks than with the Dearborn. It's just a theory. I can't prove it. I've owned 4 f150s. 3 were built at Dearborn. No paint issues. My current one is a KC build. I have dirt nibs. A missing plug in the door jamb. A sag in the clear on the driverside rear door. Again. Simply a theory from the factories I commonly experienced paint issues with
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Old Apr 15, 2021 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Frgman251
I don't think there is any correlation between one's level of OCD and the ability to diagnose white paint taken with an iPhone camera, but I am not the best detailer in the world. The paint condition on my truck is not anything close to show worthy, so, admittedly, there is room for improvement with it. I'm afraid I have to disagree that paint will degrade like this because there is no wax on it. I can point you to some vehicles that have sat in barns for 30+ years that don't have paint delaminating.
Your issue isn’t about my ability to diagnose a picture but rather about the poor quality of your paint. The question is, what caused it or have others had this experience? I think that’s what your trying to determine but I may be wrong. By the way, I wouldn’t be happy with the failure of the paint either.

I'm not a paint formulation expert but based on my experience owning 20 cars over 35 years I think they will argue either a) the vehicle isn’t covered due to age or b) the vehicle was cared for (sun exposure, etc.) in a way that caused overall paint degradation. I do hope they make it right though and good luck.
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Old Apr 15, 2021 | 09:48 AM
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There is clearly an adhesion issue with the basecoat and the initial primer / sealer coat. For obvious reasons, manufacturers use a non-sanding primer/sealer and usually dip the body completely. If the formulas are not right, or too much time passes between priming and painting there will be adhesion issues. You can try to push the issue, because no amount of care, short of putting the truck in storage, would have prevented this and see if FoMoCo will provide some good2will assistance.

We had this problem with a particular color of VW's. You could strip the paint off by applying masking tape and pulling if off the surface. VW paid for re-paints - they didn't want to pay much, but we optimized the process and got a lot of work out of it.
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Old Apr 15, 2021 | 10:33 AM
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KC was my guess. I live in the Midwest now for the last 7 years. But previously I lived in MA. Out in MA I only really saw Dearborn trucks. When i moved to WI/MN I saw a 50/50 mix. I noticed more paint issues with the KC trucks than with the Dearborn. It's just a theory. I can't prove it. I've owned 4 f150s. 3 were built at Dearborn. No paint issues. My current one is a KC build. I have dirt nibs. A missing plug in the door jamb. A sag in the clear on the driverside rear door. Again. Simply a theory from the factories I commonly experienced paint issues with
Interesting, do you think it has anything to do with the weather between the two. I'm in San Diego, and it has been years since I have been to KC, and I have never been to MI, although from pictures, I can tell it gets a little cold, haha. I should have mentioned that this wasn't a gradual occurrence. It wasn't there then after one wash, and it was under the wheel wells and tailgate. I initially wasn't too concerned as I would get the bed rhino lined, and I can do the same to the wheel wells. I took the truck to get an oil line replaced under warranty due to excessive smoke on start-up, I had them look at the paint, and the gentlemen said it was doubtful that Ford would do anything. He was very respectful and helpful and at that time I noticed the peeling paint on the rain guards. The peeling paint above the windshield and the right rear quarter panel is from the wash I did about 3 days ago. Kind of nervous to keep washing it haha. After that, I decided to take it back to them and have them look at it again, with the hopes of appealing to someone else.

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There is clearly an adhesion issue with the basecoat and the initial primer / sealer coat. For obvious reasons, manufacturers use a non-sanding primer/sealer and usually dip the body completely. If the formulas are not right, or too much time passes between priming and painting there will be adhesion issues. You can try to push the issue, because no amount of care, short of putting the truck in storage, would have prevented this and see if FoMoCo will provide some good2will assistance.

We had this problem with a particular color of VW's. You could strip the paint off by applying masking tape and pulling if off the surface. VW paid for re-paints - they didn't want to pay much, but we optimized the process and got a lot of work out of it.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to try and push it and hope for some goodwill assistance. I would even be willing to pay some out of pocket depending on how much.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 03:05 PM
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Terrible issue you are having to deal with but I feel like all manufacturers have issues with white paint. While on my lunch break I saw 3 different white vehicles with peeling paint "Cadillac, dodge, Toyota"...
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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 05:19 PM
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I have this precise issue on a 2017 with LIGHTNING BLUE paint and I have seen multiple Lightnign Blues with the same. My paint is coming off in the EXACT same places as those pictured here. The drip rails on the roof and on the tailgate. My front/leading edge above the windshield hasn't started yet, but I sort of expect it to, and the paint under the plastic bedrails is basically all gone and starting to peel a little below the visible line that the plastic covers. Same as those pictured.

This is 100% a Ford process defect from manufacturing, NOT a maintenance issue. My truck is a 2017 (10 months past 3/36), but has 29,000 miles on it. The freaking thing just sits most of the time. In the sun, yes, but so what. My last truck was a Chevy that sat outside every day and when I sold it with 166,000 miles after 8 years, the paint was still shiny just by washing it. Absolutely no paint had come off, even in the bed.

This is a defect. How do I get Ford to consider helping pay for it? They say a "goodwill" coverage is possible, but you have to push all the right buttons and have a dealership willing to actually go to bat for you, I think. Absolutely NOBODY would disagree that this is a FACTORY defect. Frankly, it was most likely there 10 months ago when still under warranty, but it's up on the roof. I cannot see over my 4x4 roof, so I never noticed it. I pay a guy to hand wash my car and he just never mentioned it, but maybe he didn't notice or care.

Thanks for any input. Please keep the thread related to paint coming off on its own, not rock chips.
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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 10:26 PM
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It would fail the Ford tape peel test so why not go in to the dealer and see if they will do anything for you?
As others said it should certainly not happen, but the paint also looks a bit weathered. And it is out of warranty. Not great as a customer.

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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 11:28 PM
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Just noticed peeling roof seams on mine after a wash. It’s parked outside, but hand washed frequently and waxed twice a year. Including the roof. I remember looking at those seams when it was new and thinking to myself it looked sloppy.
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