Takeda

I guess you can't comprehend Ford specifically calling out damage from a tuner is not covered by the powertrain warranty. It's human nature not to admit they screwed up!

Takeda

[QUOTE=MNSportsman;4967538]You might want to evaluate your comments then if your goal is to try and “correct” false information. A tune does not automatically void your warranty, powertrain or otherwise – You’re categorically wrong if that is what you’re saying. Does it have the potential, yes, and the lion share of people are well aware of that.

We are in agreement! This is much different than saying a tune will not void the manufacturer's powertrain warranty, which I'm calling out as false, specifically Idrive's post #8: A tune does not void your warranty.

idrive

iTrader: (3)

A tune does not void your warranty. If it does then every aftermarket part sold does as well. Lifts, lights, rims etc.etc. etc.

Good day gentlemen. Because I can't admit I screwed up I won't post anymore.

2010stx4by4

A tune DOES NOT automatically void your warranty. Let's say I have a tune installed and hear a noise from the front left side of the truck.

Oh no! My wheel bearing is toast at 12k miles , it'll be covered under warranty. Because my TUNE didn't cause this wheel bearing to fail.

If the engine blew up and I had a tune , of course I'd expect ford to deny my engine warranty.
They'll never check for a tune for nothing related to the drivetrain. I'm just throwing that out there for some people to think on.

tsigwing

Your entire powertrain warranty COULD be gone, emissions as well.

sergbaja5t

Thats what thought too. Speed density system, no maf required.

Livernois Motorsports

The EcoBoosts are a Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) system. They rely on manifold pressure readings not just air flow.

Dave Goldman

From another thread on this forum. I found this on FTE in a closed thread about "can tuners be detected" "And is also why ALL of the new Ford turbocharged vehicle PCM's are now encrypted by Bosch"

From yellow bullet, a racing forum:

To: All Ford and Lincoln Mercury Dealerships
Subject: Aftermarket Modifications – Warranty Cancellation

BACKGROUND
Aftermarket companies (referred to as "tuners") attempt to increase an engine's torque and power output beyond the design limits which may cause powertrain failures. This is often accomplished by modifying the engine calibration (referred to as "chipping") but may also include modifications or adjustments to other components. Per the Warranty Guide that is provided to the customer and the Warranty & Policy Manual, failures resulting from modifications are not warranted by Ford Motor Company.

All powertrains are subject to warranty cancellation if a modification causes a failure. For the 3.5L EcoBoost technical service bulletin TSB 10-2-6 was published to enable your technicians to determine:

If a powertrain failure resulted from an unauthorized modification
If the engine, transmission, or entire powertrain warranty should be cancelled
Per the inspection process included in this TSB a Ford Motor Company inspector may assist with this analysis. When the inspection process clearly indicates that a failure was caused by an unauthorized modification/alteration the repair should not be completed under Warranty and, using the following process, the vehicle's remaining Engine, Transmission, or Powertrain warranty should be cancelled.

WARRANTY CANCELLATION PROCESS
To initiate a warranty cancellation on an affected vehicle, submit a warranty cancellation request form through FMCDealer.com. This on-line form can be accessed as follows:

FMCDealer.com
Select Parts & Service tab
Select Warranty Administration & Parts Return
Select Warranty Cancellation / Reinstatement Request Form
Complete and submit this form on-line.

Once the warranty is cancelled an OASIS message will advise all dealerships that the vehicle is no longer eligible for warranty coverage


Here is the TSB

Review Service Procedure
SERVICE PROCEDURE



Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools (Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM). Changes can be made to the calibration and flashed to the PCM through the OBD port. Physical modifications to the hardware may or may not be present. If aftermarket power/torque-increasing modifications are suspected, care should be taken to record and store the following items: Permanent Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs), Pending DTCs, Freeze Frame Data, Mode 6 and Mode 9 data. The data should be printed and attached to the repair order for later reference.
The DTCs, freeze frame data, Mode 6 and 9 data can be obtained by using the IDS, PDS or NGS+VCM under tool box selection. The Powertrain tab will provide the OBD Test Modes tab and Mode 6 and 9 data selection after the vehicle has been identified.


Attempting to increase the engine output via recalibrating the PCM may result in poor drivability, DTCs, or component failures. A partial list of calibration induced component failures is given below:

• Piston damage.
• Spark over-advanced (knock-induced damage).
• Insufficient enrichment.

Excessive Cylinder Pressure:

• Turbocharger damage.

Over-Speed:

• Catalyst damage.

Over-Temperature/Melting:

• Transmission, PTU, Torque converter damage.

Hardware Modifications:





The following list contains items that are frequently modified in an effort to increase the engines torque/power output. Modifying these items may, or may not improve the performance, but can lead to drivability issues, DTCs and possibly component failures:

• Air induction system (air box, low pressure and high pressure air ducts).

The system may be particularly susceptible to flexible air ducts between the air filter and the compressors. Restrictions on either side of the compressor can result in over-speeding the turbo (Figures 5-6).

• Wastegate actuator pre-tension.

The full load output of some turbocharged engines will increase if the wastegate spring pre-tension is increased. This is not the case with the EcoBoost engine. Adjusting the wastegate pre-tension out of the specified range can result in DTCs. A tamper evident paint dot has been applied to the wastegate actuator adjustment mechanism to make modifications more apparent.

• Throttle inlet and intake manifold pressure sensors.

These sensors and the associated wiring should be inspected to verify they have not been modified.

• Additional fuel injection devices.

The high pressure fuel system used for the EcoBoost engine will not support additional fuel flow beyond what the factory calibration requests. Inspect the engine for an additional aftermarket injector(s) located somewhere in the induction system to provided increased fuel flow.

• PCV system modifications.

If the PCV system is modified (vented to atmosphere being the most common modification) it can result in a condition where oil gets past the turbine seal even on an undamaged, fully functional turbocharger. Oil in the exhaust system may not be sufficient evidence to identify a failed turbo if the PCV system has been compromised.

• Compressor bypass modifications (a.k.a. blow-off valve, or anti-surge valve).

It is common to modify these components so they make more noise. If the aftermarket devices fail to seal properly when closed, elevated turbo speeds and compressor outlet temperatures will occur.

• Exhaust air path/system.

Removal of catalysts or mufflers/resonators to reduce exhaust backpressure may result in over-speeding the turbo(s).

• Thermostat modifications.

Blocking open the thermostat may reduce the coolant flow to the turbo chargers. Wastegate Tamper Evident Paint Dot





Figure 1 - Article 10-2-6

Takeda

This is due to going from manifold vacuum to positive pressure without and with boost respectfully.

Livernois Motorsports

That is a clear inference, because boost and vacuum are interconnected.