If you have cosmetic defects this might make you feel just a little better
07-28-2016, 09:04 AM
#11
I went to most of the Ford dealerships in my area, looked at least 40+ if not more of them closely at all trim levels. There was not a single one close to perfect what so ever to the point where anyone tells me they have a perfect one I wouldn't believe it or they don't have the eye for detail and of course there will be 100 people chiming in saying theirs is perfect. Every single one I looked at had bad tooling ripples and waves around the handles and rear top of the bed corner some worse then others, some had the ripple going 3/4 the way down the door but every one of them had it to some degree. For the door alignment issue almost every 4 door truck had this to some degree along with the occasional hood I would say around 5% were acceptable but not perfect by no means. Some were so unrealistic I have no idea how they left the plant that way. Needless to say very few that I would say were acceptable.
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07-28-2016, 09:30 AM
#13
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I think the factory paint and assembly on mine is very good- I haven't gone over it with a fine tooth comb yet, but the paint is nice, alignment looks good, I noticed that I may be missing a few interior trim pieces, but I'm taking it in to be looked at today for that /
07-28-2016, 09:34 AM
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Just to be clear the body line I'm talking about is a few inches up from the bottom of the doors kind of like a seam. Many of the crews that line was not matched up from the front door to the back. Looked pretty bad but if you squat down closer to eye level its even worse.
These are mass produced. I looked at GMC, Chevy, Ram and all had issues you would have considered major. My '16 had a few minor issues (rubber bumper for closed tailgate loose, rear passenger side seat belt wouldn't latch, leaking washer fluid tank, passenger windshield wiper not parking in right position). All were corrected by the dealer and relatively minor to me. As for paint and finish, this truck is Most of the trucks were parked very close together so it was hard to get a good look on many.
These are mass produced. I looked at GMC, Chevy, Ram and all had issues you would have considered major. My '16 had a few minor issues (rubber bumper for closed tailgate loose, rear passenger side seat belt wouldn't latch, leaking washer fluid tank, passenger windshield wiper not parking in right position). All were corrected by the dealer and relatively minor to me. As for paint and finish, this truck is Most of the trucks were parked very close together so it was hard to get a good look on many.
As for waiting to finish paperwork, my dealer parked the truck in a well lit bay even though it was sunny outside (hot and the bay had AC). The salesperson walked through with me and pointed out the wiper problem. Then she asked me to drive it out into the sun and do another walk around to check paint and finish. The sales manager took about 30 minutes to go over paperwork and handed me his business card along with one for the service manager and then set up an appointment to correct the problems we found (I was heading off on a trip and took delivery the day it came off the truck). Plus they repositioned the wiper blade so it was parking correctly.
When I came in, the service department had a replacement for the seat belt, new washer fluid tank, double checked everything, and then hand washed and waxed the truck (front was covered with mashed bugs). Total time in shop, about 4 hours. Plus they gave me credit towards 2 free TheWorks oil changes w/tire rotations for the issues.
I went to 5 Ford dealers in the region and only 1 would give me a price. The rest promised to email or call me and never followed up except to call and ask if I was going to buy the truck. This dealer has contacted me every few weeks via email to check on how the truck is doing, washed it when brought in for an oil change, and given me a loaner (truck or Mustang depending on my needs at the time). I never had any dealings with them prior to making this purchase but I did talk to a lot of F-150 owners in parking lots and stores for their opinions on regional dealers.
Comes down to doing my homework, talking to other owners, as well as developing a relationship with the dealer.
07-28-2016, 10:17 AM
#15
Senior Member
I strongly believe that vehicles today our trucks included are the best ever made. I think that statistical analysis shows this apart from personal bias and opinion.
These trucks are many degrees more complicated than vehicles of years past it is amazing how they have advanced.
I used to obsess over tiny imperfections in life but I found that constantly obsessing over small imperfections ruins much of the beauty and enjoyment that exists. By seeing the overall picture and seeing things in context we should be able to truly see things for what they are as opposed to what we wish them to be.
After reading these forums I found that the back passenger door is slightly misaligned. I bet I would not even have noticed but for the forums. I bet nobody else will ever notice. Does it matter really? No I don't think so. I enjoy my truck and it's good enough. I used to lose sleep and obsess over these things. I now take a Zen attitude that life itself is imperfection and that I need to let go and enjoy the moment. We truly live in a utopian age when we get upset about millimeters.
PERFECTION IS THE ENEMY OF SUCESS in many ways. Nothing in this life will ever be perfect. To expect perfection from others when we are not perfect is not logical.
Isn't there better ways to spend your time than walking around the lot finding imperfections?! Spend time with your friends. Take your truck for a drive. Don't ruin your enjoyment over obsession with the minuscule.
I've got news for you. Most vehicles in the past were pieces of junk compared to our f150s. These trucks are better than a 100k Mercedes from 20 years ago in every way.
In the end your truck will have all sorts of defects and it ages and the value trends toward zero.
I've owned vehicles from the 70s and 80s and I wouldn't go back except for nostalgia. The quality was horrible! Rust, electrical problems, engine defects, but at least the cars were slow and and dangerous!
Vent if you must that's what forums are for but see the big picture. We have a tendency to judge others on their actions and ourselves on our intentions which biases our viewpoints.
These trucks are many degrees more complicated than vehicles of years past it is amazing how they have advanced.
I used to obsess over tiny imperfections in life but I found that constantly obsessing over small imperfections ruins much of the beauty and enjoyment that exists. By seeing the overall picture and seeing things in context we should be able to truly see things for what they are as opposed to what we wish them to be.
After reading these forums I found that the back passenger door is slightly misaligned. I bet I would not even have noticed but for the forums. I bet nobody else will ever notice. Does it matter really? No I don't think so. I enjoy my truck and it's good enough. I used to lose sleep and obsess over these things. I now take a Zen attitude that life itself is imperfection and that I need to let go and enjoy the moment. We truly live in a utopian age when we get upset about millimeters.
PERFECTION IS THE ENEMY OF SUCESS in many ways. Nothing in this life will ever be perfect. To expect perfection from others when we are not perfect is not logical.
Isn't there better ways to spend your time than walking around the lot finding imperfections?! Spend time with your friends. Take your truck for a drive. Don't ruin your enjoyment over obsession with the minuscule.
I've got news for you. Most vehicles in the past were pieces of junk compared to our f150s. These trucks are better than a 100k Mercedes from 20 years ago in every way.
In the end your truck will have all sorts of defects and it ages and the value trends toward zero.
I've owned vehicles from the 70s and 80s and I wouldn't go back except for nostalgia. The quality was horrible! Rust, electrical problems, engine defects, but at least the cars were slow and and dangerous!
Vent if you must that's what forums are for but see the big picture. We have a tendency to judge others on their actions and ourselves on our intentions which biases our viewpoints.
07-28-2016, 10:22 AM
#16
Senior Member
some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. Whatever.
07-28-2016, 10:23 AM
#17
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Sorry to hear about the OP's issue. I ordered my 2016 at the end of January and it was delivered mid March. I spent 2 hours at the dealer the day after it arrived and was very pleased with the fit and finish of the truck. Thanks to this board to give me areas to check. This is the best truck I have owned.
07-28-2016, 10:38 AM
#18
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I'm calling TROLL on this. OP, a picture is worth a thousand words. You provided the thousand words, but pics of what you are talking about would be helpful. Maybe on your lunch break at the GMC dealership you could snap a couple so we can see the horror story for our own eyes.
BTW my '16 has none of the mentioned issues. Not 100% perfect if I try to find waves in sheet metal, but neither was the '12 Audi I traded in.
Last thought, sounds like this is a really big deal to you and I understand they brought your truck to you at night, but in your investigation you have concluded that nearly all F150's do not get your stamp of approval. You didn't notice this when researching your new truck or test driving? Something is off here, which is why I am calling you a troll.
BTW my '16 has none of the mentioned issues. Not 100% perfect if I try to find waves in sheet metal, but neither was the '12 Audi I traded in.
Last thought, sounds like this is a really big deal to you and I understand they brought your truck to you at night, but in your investigation you have concluded that nearly all F150's do not get your stamp of approval. You didn't notice this when researching your new truck or test driving? Something is off here, which is why I am calling you a troll.
07-28-2016, 11:44 AM
#19
I too get highly bugged when I think about some of my new '16 cosmetic/fit and finish issues. Then I put it into perspective, smile, and hop in my new ride and go.
I worked in the Russian arctic in the early 90's. Some brave entrepreneurs decided they would try capitalism and do some trucking for us over the ice roads we built. So they went to the Ural truck factory and bought (stole?) new trucks. Next step was find a covered area, then drain the oil, drop the pan, remove crankshaft, replace the journal bearings with knockoffs from east Europe with perceived higher quality than Russian ones, re-install, fill back with oil, drive to the field. We thought they were crazy. To a man, they told us "ha, everyone knows factory OEM Ural journals bearings are (Russian word for excrement), the crazy ones are people that DON't do this". The Kamaz trucks had their own set of mechanical issues, and wind noise in either truck was good 'cause that meant if you were a passenger you had the window down to disperse the carbon monoxide coming from the rusted out floorboard...
They also "re-purposed" used motor oil we drained from our western rolling stock as the oil they could get was nowhere close to API.
In the cities, if you owned a car (Lada/Niva/Volga/Uaz, whatever) it was understood you'd have to wrench, and wrench often. Best gift you could bring to your Russian workmate who owned a car was a cheap Craftsman metric tool set. Fit and finish? Owners from that era would roar with laughter reading this forum...
So now I am happy I have a dealership to go to when my slightly cockeyed hood/doors/etc start bothering me. Or I just ignore the minor stuff and keep driving...
I worked in the Russian arctic in the early 90's. Some brave entrepreneurs decided they would try capitalism and do some trucking for us over the ice roads we built. So they went to the Ural truck factory and bought (stole?) new trucks. Next step was find a covered area, then drain the oil, drop the pan, remove crankshaft, replace the journal bearings with knockoffs from east Europe with perceived higher quality than Russian ones, re-install, fill back with oil, drive to the field. We thought they were crazy. To a man, they told us "ha, everyone knows factory OEM Ural journals bearings are (Russian word for excrement), the crazy ones are people that DON't do this". The Kamaz trucks had their own set of mechanical issues, and wind noise in either truck was good 'cause that meant if you were a passenger you had the window down to disperse the carbon monoxide coming from the rusted out floorboard...
They also "re-purposed" used motor oil we drained from our western rolling stock as the oil they could get was nowhere close to API.
In the cities, if you owned a car (Lada/Niva/Volga/Uaz, whatever) it was understood you'd have to wrench, and wrench often. Best gift you could bring to your Russian workmate who owned a car was a cheap Craftsman metric tool set. Fit and finish? Owners from that era would roar with laughter reading this forum...
So now I am happy I have a dealership to go to when my slightly cockeyed hood/doors/etc start bothering me. Or I just ignore the minor stuff and keep driving...
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07-28-2016, 11:51 AM
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