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Old Nov 14, 2021 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 2AF150GA
93 octane only. These 2018+ 5.0s love it. Its amazing Ford can get them to run on 87.
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Sorry to hear you have to use 93 octane in your truck, my 17 does just fine on 87..
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Old Nov 14, 2021 | 06:15 PM
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It does matter. 2019 5.0. Runs smoother with either E85 (which is ~100 octane), or 91. Running 87 is fine, but you can hear/feel it more under acceleration (when port injection opens up).

So, I compute actual cents per mile (divide $/gallon by actual miles per gallon) and switch between E85 and 91 depending on how the fuel prices fluctuate.
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Quick10
Looking at your post you have a 2016, that's why. 15-17 and 11-14 were fine on 87 and they were lower compression, I had both gens. 18+ blocks are night and day different between the di/pi combo and 12:1 compression ratio. That's why like on my '19 5.0 Platinum it's a big difference running 93 like basically anyone sees. Running 93 in the previous blocks on factory tune did nothing (untuned), nevermind running better also about a 20hp difference on an 18+ Coyote between 87 and 93 on dyno. 87 in a 3rd Gen Coyote = lazy feeling and ping ding dong knock pong knock

Edit - robbgt just beat me to it lol
I've run 87 in my 18 since I got it; never had it ping once, runs like the 60's muscle cars.
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 06:19 PM
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I only run 93 in my 2018 5.0. The exception is when I had to run 91 on a couple trips out West.
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Old Nov 20, 2021 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tetramethyl
I only run 93 in my 2018 5.0. The exception is when I had to run 91 on a couple trips out West.
I wish I could get 93 we are stuck for the most part on 91 unless I drive considerably further. I think some people don't quite get the concept of a knock sensor and the car re-tuning on the fly to compensate for lower octane gas (reducing performance). It really isn't that difficult to understand. It reminds me of people that stop 3 car lengths back from a light and make everyone wait a full cycle because they live under a rock and don't realize most lights have car sensors that effect the light cycle.
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Old Nov 20, 2021 | 05:41 PM
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I was driving 34 miles to another state to get E85. I like it a lot and just filled up for the fifth time. I will get regular gas locally now because the price last time was $4.09/gal 93 was $4.19. thanks brandon.
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Old Nov 20, 2021 | 05:50 PM
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I just watched last night an episode of 'Engine Masters' where they took an LS3 engine and ran it on 87, 91, 106, 116, and E85 fuel. Did several dyno pulls and the results were stunning...essentially the timing stayed at 29 degrees and the hp and torque results were within like 1 or 2 hp and lb/ft of torque on ALL the gasolines...it simply made NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. E85 saw about a 10 hp and torque gain, which makes sense as it has more oxygen in it. I encourage everyone to find that episode and watch it...it really opened up my eyes.
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Old Nov 20, 2021 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bajaman
I just watched last night an episode of 'Engine Masters' where they took an LS3 engine and ran it on 87, 91, 106, 116, and E85 fuel. Did several dyno pulls and the results were stunning...essentially the timing stayed at 29 degrees and the hp and torque results were within like 1 or 2 hp and lb/ft of torque on ALL the gasolines...it simply made NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. E85 saw about a 10 hp and torque gain, which makes sense as it has more oxygen in it. I encourage everyone to find that episode and watch it...it really opened up my eyes.
It's the fuel injection (direct injection) timing that matters.
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Old Nov 20, 2021 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dougg
It's the fuel injection (direct injection) timing that matters.
The point was...there was simply no difference in power between all the gasolines.
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Old Nov 20, 2021 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bajaman
The point was...there was simply no difference in power between all the gasolines.
That's b/c its an LS3, timing, and lower compression, go dyno the 6.2 (L9H) which is higher compression at 11:5 in the trucks on 87 vs 93, big difference, even moreso on 18+ Coyotes which gains huge on 93 stock and even more E85. On the 2nd Gen Coyote, that would be like the LS3 block, essentially 0 difference (untuned). LS3s pretty much gain nothing even tuned over 93 w/ E85, without further mods it can't take full advantage. Vs 18+ Coyote which is an animal tuned on E85 for a n/a block. Beastmode, except mileage sucks ballz on E85 even stock, same for flex fuel GMs..... Oh if we could only get 93 mileage with E85 performance lol

I've been well involved on both platforms, cars or trucks. 18+ Coyotes are in another league from any other n/a block made today, not even my Viper gained tuned like the 18+ Coyote does Stang or F150.
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