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Unfortunately my donor APIM is from an Escape so I suspect a lot of the values will be quite different from an F150 but I’ll definitely take a close look. I’ve started going through the spreadsheet using that with Ape’s doc and that has been helpful. There are definitely still lots of fields where I’ve been like - I have no idea what to choose. Also, unfortunately my existing APIM is from Sync 1 and has very few values compared to a Sync 3. But, yes, trying to piece it all together as best I can.
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Thanks, will do for sure. I think I assumed that because I was responding to the post right before mine that it would be obvious but better to stand on the side of clarity. I guess that this giant thread makes it a little trickier, too.
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I recently took the plunge and upgraded my 2015 XL from Sync 1 to Sync 3 with navigation. I did a ton of research trying to find the right values to program my APIM/FCIM/ACM and thought I was in a good place. It was hard because I couldn't find a 2015 XL with Sync 3 to base my changes off of. Not sure that such a thing exists other than someone here that has already made this upgrade. I'm experiencing a few strange things that I'd love to get some insight on.
There are a few DTCs that won't go away after clearing and one that won't load for the FCDIM. Here are the codes I'm seeing. I don't have a satellite antenna so that one makes sense.
I also recently upgraded my ACM, before doing the Sync upgrade, to a unit that supports both HD Radio and Sirius. I wasn't planning on using Sirius but specifically purchased a unit with support so that I could get the speaker signal to go to the connector for the sub in the rear. For some reason those units will enable that to happen. That worked beautifully with my new Kicker Hideaway sub/amp combo while I was still on Sync 1. After upgrading to Sync 3, the sub stopped working. However, I didn't check to see if it was still working while my Sync 3 was on version 1. I updated that this morning to Sync 3 version 3.4. I read recently about Sync 3.4 causing some issues with Sirius but I wasn't sure if that would be the cause of my sub stopping working. Any ideas there? I was thinking of downgrading to an earlier version of 3.4 (20351) or even down to 3.0 to see if that helps. I already did a master reset.
I also have seen this message about navigation not working properly and to contact Ford. "Navigation Fault: Navigation is not functioning properly. Please visit your dealer for service." I haven't gone out for a drive yet, but just sitting in the truck it seems like sometimes the nav seems to know which way it is oriented and other times it's confused, showing the wrong direction compared to the direction in the cluster panel. Based on the GPS DTC above, is it likely that I just got a bad GPS antenna or could something else be wrong?
My APIM/screen came from a 2016 Escape. The FCIM (bezel) came from a 2018 F-150. ACM was from a 2017 Explorer, I believe.
I recently took the plunge and upgraded my 2015 XL from Sync 1 to Sync 3 with navigation. I did a ton of research trying to find the right values to program my APIM/FCIM/ACM and thought I was in a good place. It was hard because I couldn't find a 2015 XL with Sync 3 to base my changes off of. Not sure that such a thing exists other than someone here that has already made this upgrade. I'm experiencing a few strange things that I'd love to get some insight on.
There are a few DTCs that won't go away after clearing and one that won't load for the FCDIM.
I can't answer all your questions because I haven't done this in years.
Sync 3 was only introduced in the 2016 model year.
If you have a saved profile in ForScan delete it and start fresh.
You just physically removed the FCDIM and ForScan is loading a cached profile expecting it to be installed in this VIN, hence the error.
I'll go through my notes sometime this weekend.
In the meantime I suggest checking out this thread on some of the challenges of Sync retrofits from that era:
I can't answer all your questions because I haven't done this in years.
Sync 3 was only introduced in the 2016 model year.
If you have a saved profile in ForScan delete it and start fresh.
You just physically removed the FCDIM and ForScan is loading a cached profile expecting it to be installed in this VIN, hence the error.
I'll go through my notes sometime this weekend.
In the meantime I suggest checking out this thread on some of the challenges of Sync retrofits from that era:
Thanks for taking the time to help. I appreciate it a lot. I removed my old profile and reset the DTCs and that eliminated all but two, thankfully! Still just left with the following:
Code: B119F - GPS Antenna
Additional Fault Symptom:
- Circuit Open
Status:
- DTC Present at Time of Request
- Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Module: Accessory Protocol Interface Module
Code: B1A89 - Satellite Antenna
Additional Fault Symptom:
- Circuit Open
Status:
- DTC Present at Time of Request
- Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Module: Audio Control Module
As I mentioned before, the satellite one makes sense since I don't have a satellite antenna. Makes me wonder if I got a satellite antenna and connected it if that would make the subwoofer start working again. That's the part I'm most bummed about. I didn't need an antenna when I had the Sync 1 APIM, but who knows. I had already switched the value in the ACM to account for the switch from Sync 1 to Sync 3.
Not sure about the GPS one though. Oh! I also went for a drive this evening before clearing the profile and the GPS was working flawlessly for me. That makes it seem even stranger that I'd be seeing the fault. I'm sure there is some other reason for it.
I'll take a look at the thread you linked to. Thanks again!
I couldn't find a 2015 XL with Sync 3 to base my changes off of.
I believe it was me who suggested finding a like model F150 to use as a baseline. I didn't mean a literal same year and trim with Sync 3, because that didn't exist in the 2015 MY. I meant find one that came with Sync 3 from the factory that has similar features, like a 2016 XLT. There's not that much difference between an XL and XLT, so data from a lower trim should be a good starting point.
If it was me in your shoes, I would get the AsBuilt from a 2016 XLT equipped with Sync 3 from the factory (Nav if you have Nav, Non Nav if you don't have Nav), and overwrite both the APIM and ACM values with that data (back up what you have now) and see where things sit. I wouldn't worry about the Sirius stuff at all at this point since you know you need hardware (antenna) to make that work correctly. Start with the above as a baseline and make sure all functions work as you expect, and then use the Forscan spreadsheet to make the necessary changes to enable the subwoofer, and see if that works.
If you aren't even seeing Satellite Radio as a source, you've likely got mismatched data between the APIM and ACM. Doing the above process should get that straightened out.
Did you purchase/install a GPS antenna? You need a standalone antenna for GPS if you're doing it in a 2015; Sync 3 doesn't pull from the module wired into the CAN Bus like Sync 2.
I believe it was me who suggested finding a like model F150 to use as a baseline. I didn't mean a literal same year and trim with Sync 3, because that didn't exist in the 2015 MY. I meant find one that came with Sync 3 from the factory that has similar features, like a 2016 XLT. There's not that much difference between an XL and XLT, so data from a lower trim should be a good starting point.
If it was me in your shoes, I would get the AsBuilt from a 2016 XLT equipped with Sync 3 from the factory (Nav if you have Nav, Non Nav if you don't have Nav), and overwrite both the APIM and ACM values with that data (back up what you have now) and see where things sit. I wouldn't worry about the Sirius stuff at all at this point since you know you need hardware (antenna) to make that work correctly. Start with the above as a baseline and make sure all functions work as you expect, and then use the Forscan spreadsheet to make the necessary changes to enable the subwoofer, and see if that works.
If you aren't even seeing Satellite Radio as a source, you've likely got mismatched data between the APIM and ACM. Doing the above process should get that straightened out.
This is very close to what I did based on your and other's suggestions. I think I probably looked at the values from four or five 2016 XL/XLTs with Sync 3 and Nav and similar build as my truck, as close as I could find. That along with Livinitup's spreadsheet.
I was actually seeing satellite radio within Sync 3 when I was on version 1, which is what was installed on the new to me APIM. It wasn't until I upgraded to Sync 3 version 3.4 that I no longer see anything related to satellite radio.
Yes, I did install a GPS antenna which is attached to the back of the APIM and mounted in the little spot up below the tray in the dash with double-sided tape, where everyone else seems to put them.
I'm not convinced I actually do need a satellite antenna to get the sub working again as I didn't have/need one when I was on Sync 1 and the sub was working fine. That could be a difference between Sync 1 and 3 though and maybe I will need to buy one to make it work. As I mentioned, I'm not planning on using Sirius - just trying to get the sub working again.
I may try again what you suggested and use a similar truck's configuration as the base and tweak from there. I might also try reverting to an earlier version of Sync, as I mentioned, since some people mention Sirius not showing up on the later versions.
If you aren't even seeing Satellite Radio as a source, you've likely got mismatched data between the APIM and ACM. Doing the above process should get that straightened out.
After closer inspection, I am actually seeing satellite radio as a source in Sync 3 version 3.4. That's my bad for not seeing it initially. So, you very well may be correct that there is a mismatch somewhere. It could also be that getting a satellite antenna and plugging that in could fix the problem with the sub. I may buy an antenna as they are only $15 or so on Amazon.
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