F150 eco diesel
04-28-2016, 08:41 PM
#51
Id be really interested in a F150 diesel. However I hope they are able to make it quieter than yours TSR. No offense, I know diesels are just louder and nothing against your Ram.
It's just I'd like, and think they would make them less noisy. I mean most diesel cars are quite right? Not the traditional diesel noise.
It's just I'd like, and think they would make them less noisy. I mean most diesel cars are quite right? Not the traditional diesel noise.
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Gx2Lariat (04-28-2016)
04-28-2016, 10:18 PM
#53
Senior Member
This could be the new Diesel F150 engine http://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/...EuB?li=AAggFp0 237 HP 2.0 makes sense
04-29-2016, 12:13 AM
#54
Senior Member
I may stir up a hornets nest, but I don't see the point of 5 engine choices. You have the 3.5 for work trucks. The 5.0 because every other manufacturer has a V8, so Ford better have one too. The 3.5 Eco for towing and gas mileage...sort of. The 2.7 for gas mileage, but the EPA rates it the same as the 3.5 Eco if equipped with 4 x 4, right...? And now an Ecodiesel for probably better fuel mileage than any of them..and towing. If the diesel is a success, the 3.5 Eco or the 5.0 might die. But the V8 won't die as long as GM and Ram have a V8. And they plan on a gen 2 Eco 3.5 so it won't die. They just came out with the 2.7 last year, so I'd assume it's not going anywhere. Very confusing.
I'd assume the diesel will do the best in the EPA ratings / help the most with CAFE stuff.
I'd assume the diesel will do the best in the EPA ratings / help the most with CAFE stuff.
04-29-2016, 12:47 AM
#55
Senior Member
I may stir up a hornets nest, but I don't see the point of 5 engine choices. You have the 3.5 for work trucks. The 5.0 because every other manufacturer has a V8, so Ford better have one too. The 3.5 Eco for towing and gas mileage...sort of. The 2.7 for gas mileage, but the EPA rates it the same as the 3.5 Eco if equipped with 4 x 4, right...? And now an Ecodiesel for probably better fuel mileage than any of them..and towing. If the diesel is a success, the 3.5 Eco or the 5.0 might die. But the V8 won't die as long as GM and Ram have a V8. And they plan on a gen 2 Eco 3.5 so it won't die. They just came out with the 2.7 last year, so I'd assume it's not going anywhere. Very confusing.
I'd assume the diesel will do the best in the EPA ratings / help the most with CAFE stuff.
I'd assume the diesel will do the best in the EPA ratings / help the most with CAFE stuff.
04-29-2016, 02:19 AM
#56
Beer Gut Extraordinaire
The reason Ford is murdering the truck market right now is because they offer the least compromise for your dollar. They currently offer 4 engines, all with their own set of unique intended purposes, and none of those engines are less impressive than the other. The base 3.5 NA is a perfectly adequate, rock-solid reliable engine that will run forever, the 2.7L is nothing short of an engineering marvel, the 5.0L is a buttery smooth, free revving V8 with one of the best soundtracks out there, and the 3.5EB is a torque monster that has been quite possibly the biggest breakthrough in pickup truck history. The TDV6 should slot somewhere between the 2.7L and 5.0L will probably focus more on light duty use, Ford will likely be honing in on maximum fuel economy with this engine, more-so than heavy duty towing.
However, with the EPA having a blatantly obvious hate-on for diesel engines, the modern diesel is loaded to the nuts with filters, sensors, tanks, pumps, reductant heaters and other gobbledygook that will ultimately hinder the lifespan and bottom line fuel economy of what could be a free-flowing, long-lasting diesel engine. The apples to apples competition here is the Ecodiesel, which In Canada, on a mid-level SLT trim Ram Crew Cab with a short box and 4x4, the Ecodiesel is just shy of $6,000 to upgrade to from the base gas pot V6, and just over $4,000 to upgrade to from the V8. The average consumer will NEVER see a return on that investment, though with Mopar financing Ram trucks for 96 months at 1.99%, the difference in the monthly payment is pretty much moot.
Yes, the Ecodiesel returns some very impressive fuel economy numbers, but the up-front cost really doesn't benefit the owner at all. And I believe it comes with a lot of compromise. Due to the rear suspension design on the Rams, the diesel can't tow to it's full potential. It's also in my experience driving them, quite a lethargic engine that takes a long time, with a lot of pedal travel and turbo lag, to get up to speed. I personally just prefer the quick and easy whoosh of power the Ecoboost offers to get up to speed when I need it to. I'm not a hot rodder, but I also like an engine that's at least a little bit peppier than my 10 year old 5.4 F-150 was. I'm not assuming the Ford TDV6 will perform the same by any means, my judgement is completely superficial until Ford releases it and I get to drive it.
Of course this is all pure speculation based on the Ecodiesel as a competitor. The Ram is a heavy truck, I think a diesel would get along well with the light body of the F-150 as long as they can keep the up front costs in check. Ultimately my opinion matters not, Because for every guy that passes up on the diesel, 10 other guys are signing on the dotted line. Whatever Ford comes up with, they will sell a bucketload of them. And that's really all that matters.
However, with the EPA having a blatantly obvious hate-on for diesel engines, the modern diesel is loaded to the nuts with filters, sensors, tanks, pumps, reductant heaters and other gobbledygook that will ultimately hinder the lifespan and bottom line fuel economy of what could be a free-flowing, long-lasting diesel engine. The apples to apples competition here is the Ecodiesel, which In Canada, on a mid-level SLT trim Ram Crew Cab with a short box and 4x4, the Ecodiesel is just shy of $6,000 to upgrade to from the base gas pot V6, and just over $4,000 to upgrade to from the V8. The average consumer will NEVER see a return on that investment, though with Mopar financing Ram trucks for 96 months at 1.99%, the difference in the monthly payment is pretty much moot.
Yes, the Ecodiesel returns some very impressive fuel economy numbers, but the up-front cost really doesn't benefit the owner at all. And I believe it comes with a lot of compromise. Due to the rear suspension design on the Rams, the diesel can't tow to it's full potential. It's also in my experience driving them, quite a lethargic engine that takes a long time, with a lot of pedal travel and turbo lag, to get up to speed. I personally just prefer the quick and easy whoosh of power the Ecoboost offers to get up to speed when I need it to. I'm not a hot rodder, but I also like an engine that's at least a little bit peppier than my 10 year old 5.4 F-150 was. I'm not assuming the Ford TDV6 will perform the same by any means, my judgement is completely superficial until Ford releases it and I get to drive it.
Of course this is all pure speculation based on the Ecodiesel as a competitor. The Ram is a heavy truck, I think a diesel would get along well with the light body of the F-150 as long as they can keep the up front costs in check. Ultimately my opinion matters not, Because for every guy that passes up on the diesel, 10 other guys are signing on the dotted line. Whatever Ford comes up with, they will sell a bucketload of them. And that's really all that matters.
04-29-2016, 10:00 AM
#57
Id be really interested in a F150 diesel. However I hope they are able to make it quieter than yours TSR. No offense, I know diesels are just louder and nothing against your Ram.
It's just I'd like, and think they would make them less noisy. I mean most diesel cars are quite right? Not the traditional diesel noise.
It's just I'd like, and think they would make them less noisy. I mean most diesel cars are quite right? Not the traditional diesel noise.
Inside noise:
Yes, the Ecodiesel returns some very impressive fuel economy numbers, but the up-front cost really doesn't benefit the owner at all. And I believe it comes with a lot of compromise. Due to the rear suspension design on the Rams, the diesel can't tow to it's full potential. It's also in my experience driving them, quite a lethargic engine that takes a long time, with a lot of pedal travel and turbo lag, to get up to speed. I personally just prefer the quick and easy whoosh of power the Ecoboost offers to get up to speed when I need it to. I'm not a hot rodder, but I also like an engine that's at least a little bit peppier than my 10 year old 5.4 F-150 was. I'm not assuming the Ford TDV6 will perform the same by any means, my judgement is completely superficial until Ford releases it and I get to drive it.
Rumor has it, the next model year is going to get a slight boost in towing capacity with a couple tweaks.
In regards to the turbo lag and such, It's never been a concern for me. I don't feel as if I lost any seat of the pants feel from switching from a 2010 F150 to the Diesel ram, but I have not driven an EcoBoost either. My driving style has calmed down quite a bit in the last few years too. Getting 50K out of a set of tires is a feat on it's own.
Of course this is all pure speculation based on the Ecodiesel as a competitor. The Ram is a heavy truck, I think a diesel would get along well with the light body of the F-150 as long as they can keep the up front costs in check. Ultimately my opinion matters not, Because for every guy that passes up on the diesel, 10 other guys are signing on the dotted line. Whatever Ford comes up with, they will sell a bucketload of them. And that's really all that matters.