ESP plans
09-05-2017, 03:02 PM
#111
Senior Member
Before you make a decision, you need to read all the fine print. While the dealer will explain the advantages of the plan, they definitely aren't going to go into the fine print, which will explain that there are a lot of 'outs' for that company regarding claims. The third party warranty company is a business, and their business model is to take in more than they pay out.
Personally, I would completely avoid third party warranty companies. Too much risk is on the buyer, in my opinion. Are some better than others? Most likely. Even so, if you have to get an extended warranty, go with the Ford ESP from Ziegler or Flood; that is my opinion. Keep in mind that you can wait until your warranty is almost out to purchase it. Wouldn't that be a smarter time to buy it? In 36K miles, aren't you better prepared to know then if you are going to sell it soon, or trade it in? In that case, the argument for buying it early weakens.
Personally, I would completely avoid third party warranty companies. Too much risk is on the buyer, in my opinion. Are some better than others? Most likely. Even so, if you have to get an extended warranty, go with the Ford ESP from Ziegler or Flood; that is my opinion. Keep in mind that you can wait until your warranty is almost out to purchase it. Wouldn't that be a smarter time to buy it? In 36K miles, aren't you better prepared to know then if you are going to sell it soon, or trade it in? In that case, the argument for buying it early weakens.
ok, talked to the financial guy again to make sure I had all the details right.
On the free power-train warranty the dealer (Sunset Ford) includes with every vehicle its an unlimited millage and lifetime. deductible of $300.00 with going to either their own shop or any other dealers. Still have Fords remaining 5 yr/60,000 mile power-train warranty.
This 'Pro certified Lifetime Wrap' warranty backed by CNA National he's trying to sell is an lifetime / unlimited millage policy. $0.00 deductible if I bring it in to Sunset, or $100.00 deductible if its serviced at any other ford dealer. He said they've been selling these instead of Fords ESP because Fords is a 'term coverage' policy for x miles & x yrs and this one an unlimited miles & years.
It also includes rental coverage, roadside assist & travel and lodging reimbursement.
He also said Ford had to approve them to sell these policy's.
$2690.00 is what he offered me after discounts. But i have to purchase it at the time of sale. can cancel in 30 days for a refund if i want.
In looking at Fords online ESPs page, for 125,000 miles and 8 yrs ( assuming they mean its 5 yrs after the 3 yr original) Ford wants $4,230.00 for the same $0 deductible, Flood wants $2,850.00 for the same plan. ( you guys were right they do sell them cheaper !! )
decisions decisions. like i said before its not the power train i'm too worried about but rather all the electronics and electrics this truck has that I'm concerned about needed repairs down the road after the original warranty expires.
thanks for your help
On the free power-train warranty the dealer (Sunset Ford) includes with every vehicle its an unlimited millage and lifetime. deductible of $300.00 with going to either their own shop or any other dealers. Still have Fords remaining 5 yr/60,000 mile power-train warranty.
This 'Pro certified Lifetime Wrap' warranty backed by CNA National he's trying to sell is an lifetime / unlimited millage policy. $0.00 deductible if I bring it in to Sunset, or $100.00 deductible if its serviced at any other ford dealer. He said they've been selling these instead of Fords ESP because Fords is a 'term coverage' policy for x miles & x yrs and this one an unlimited miles & years.
It also includes rental coverage, roadside assist & travel and lodging reimbursement.
He also said Ford had to approve them to sell these policy's.
$2690.00 is what he offered me after discounts. But i have to purchase it at the time of sale. can cancel in 30 days for a refund if i want.
In looking at Fords online ESPs page, for 125,000 miles and 8 yrs ( assuming they mean its 5 yrs after the 3 yr original) Ford wants $4,230.00 for the same $0 deductible, Flood wants $2,850.00 for the same plan. ( you guys were right they do sell them cheaper !! )
decisions decisions. like i said before its not the power train i'm too worried about but rather all the electronics and electrics this truck has that I'm concerned about needed repairs down the road after the original warranty expires.
thanks for your help
Last edited by silvius; 09-05-2017 at 03:05 PM.
09-05-2017, 03:30 PM
#112
Senior Member
Zeigler is currently $225 off the posted online prices. If that doesn't beat Flood Ford's price, call Zeigler and ask them to match (they won't match emailed prices---must be verifiable online).
09-06-2017, 08:48 PM
#113
Senior Member
PM me for the $225 off code from Zeigler (if you are seriously considering in a week of obtaining it)
NOTE > This for the $225 if you pay in full with a credit card online. You can NOT use the financing option *AND* the $225 off.
Pick 1. If you use both, Bob said your order would be cancelled. (A forum member screwed this up for everyone earlier)..
If Flood Ford is still cheaper at the time you do the quote with the $225 off, call Bob at Zeigler, and he will try to match or beat their price.
If the online promo code is found posted online, it will be changed and will be back to the phone call method. (don't spoil it for everyone again)
NOTE > This for the $225 if you pay in full with a credit card online. You can NOT use the financing option *AND* the $225 off.
Pick 1. If you use both, Bob said your order would be cancelled. (A forum member screwed this up for everyone earlier)..
If Flood Ford is still cheaper at the time you do the quote with the $225 off, call Bob at Zeigler, and he will try to match or beat their price.
If the online promo code is found posted online, it will be changed and will be back to the phone call method. (don't spoil it for everyone again)
09-07-2017, 01:23 AM
#114
I picked it up monday evening, I refused their 3rd party warranty. just cant get over 3rd party problems. I figure i got a couple months till I hit 36,000 miles.
Will be in Rhode Island on thursday and will stop by Flood and get more info.
I think both Flood and Zeigler were pretty close in price after discounts.
Really like the new truck and on top on my truck getting stolen, my fiancee passing away 3 weeks ago, today I get a call from the police that they found my truck. not bad condition but i dont own it anymore. I drove it home and will call the insurance company for them to deal with it.
Thanks for all the info
Will be in Rhode Island on thursday and will stop by Flood and get more info.
I think both Flood and Zeigler were pretty close in price after discounts.
Really like the new truck and on top on my truck getting stolen, my fiancee passing away 3 weeks ago, today I get a call from the police that they found my truck. not bad condition but i dont own it anymore. I drove it home and will call the insurance company for them to deal with it.
Thanks for all the info
09-08-2017, 09:35 AM
#116
Senior Member
I just did a quote on both the Flood and Zeigler sites.
Zeigler is $25 Cheaper with the $225 promo code, and you can order directly online and pay with a credit card and don't have to call Bob.
Zeigler is $25 Cheaper with the $225 promo code, and you can order directly online and pay with a credit card and don't have to call Bob.
09-12-2017, 01:51 PM
#117
Senior Member
For those of you sitting on the bench with an ESP, I recently threw a rod in my 2011 3.5 Eco. 68K miles. 100% maintenance performed by a Ford Dealership. All oil changes per IOLM, or less than 10K miles, or less than 12months. Left work, accelerating to get onto highway and kaboom! No ESP, 6 months out of 5/100K powertrain. Dealer wanted $12K for new longblock. Ended up paying $5K after claim w/Ford Corp.
Never got an explanation of what caused it, although, the service mgr claimed there was oil sludge (still not convinced sludge, even if there was some, caused it), and went immediately to the "I'd change oil every 5K" and not trust the IOLM.
Then why would the manufacturer make such recommendations?!? And why are they allowing dealers/service managers to scoff at the IOLM systems and their printed recommendations?
Just don't get it.
Never got an explanation of what caused it, although, the service mgr claimed there was oil sludge (still not convinced sludge, even if there was some, caused it), and went immediately to the "I'd change oil every 5K" and not trust the IOLM.
Then why would the manufacturer make such recommendations?!? And why are they allowing dealers/service managers to scoff at the IOLM systems and their printed recommendations?
Just don't get it.
09-12-2017, 02:05 PM
#118
Senior Member
For those of you sitting on the bench with an ESP, I recently threw a rod in my 2011 3.5 Eco. 68K miles. 100% maintenance performed by a Ford Dealership. All oil changes per IOLM, or less than 10K miles, or less than 12months. Left work, accelerating to get onto highway and kaboom! No ESP, 6 months out of 5/100K powertrain. Dealer wanted $12K for new longblock. Ended up paying $5K after claim w/Ford Corp.
Never got an explanation of what caused it, although, the service mgr claimed there was oil sludge (still not convinced sludge, even if there was some, caused it), and went immediately to the "I'd change oil every 5K" and not trust the IOLM.
Then why would the manufacturer make such recommendations?!? And why are they allowing dealers/service managers to scoff at the IOLM systems and their printed recommendations?
Just don't get it.
Never got an explanation of what caused it, although, the service mgr claimed there was oil sludge (still not convinced sludge, even if there was some, caused it), and went immediately to the "I'd change oil every 5K" and not trust the IOLM.
Then why would the manufacturer make such recommendations?!? And why are they allowing dealers/service managers to scoff at the IOLM systems and their printed recommendations?
Just don't get it.
There are a couple of posts here about the IOLM and sludge issue. Just wondering if earlier oil changes would have helped at all. May be, may be not!
09-12-2017, 02:07 PM
#119
Senior Member
09-12-2017, 02:27 PM
#120
Senior Member
So in the past 6 years, has that changed? And why not 4,500 miles between changes, or what about 5,500 or 6,000? Where's that line? Is there any way to tell that there is sludge building up?
It just seems you need an ESP (@ roughly $1500) to protect you from catastrophic engine failure...because, you never know...some new tech was introduced into an engine somewhere along the line, and now the mfg's recommendations won't "protect" you. Most likely, the odds are in your favor that you won't suffer the same fate...but then again, there are no guarantees.
It just seems you need an ESP (@ roughly $1500) to protect you from catastrophic engine failure...because, you never know...some new tech was introduced into an engine somewhere along the line, and now the mfg's recommendations won't "protect" you. Most likely, the odds are in your favor that you won't suffer the same fate...but then again, there are no guarantees.