Is The End In Sight? Ford Plans To Scale Back 5.0L V8 Production At Essex Engine Plan
#91
Senior Member
I went to the AZ plan website and looked at the different prices for the engine line up. The 2.7 eco is $800 more than the base 3.3. The 5.0 $1800 more, and the 3.5 eco is $2400 more. Ford is going to promote the powertrain that makes the most money for them. I have the 5.0 in my 2015 truck and the auto start/stop on the new engines are a total turn off for me. (pun intended) The only way the Coyote disappears is the find another engine for the Mustang.
#92
I went to the AZ plan website and looked at the different prices for the engine line up. The 2.7 eco is $800 more than the base 3.3. The 5.0 $1800 more, and the 3.5 eco is $2400 more. Ford is going to promote the powertrain that makes the most money for them. I have the 5.0 in my 2015 truck and the auto start/stop on the new engines are a total turn off for me. (pun intended) The only way the Coyote disappears is the find another engine for the Mustang.
#93
Save the Manuals!
I know others have already said it but its a self fulfilling prophecy with the decline in sales of the 5.0. I know in my area the dealers are really pushing the EcoBoost engines over the 5.0. I had to drive an hour to Baltimore to find my truck since I was picky on color and having a XLT Sport with the 5.0. The eco boost options are both great engines but I found with my 2015 2.7 you either got eco or boost and never both at the same time. I'm getting overall better fuel economy with my 2018 5.0 and it sounds heavenly with the Borla exhaust.
#95
Member
The engine itself is darn near identical to the 5.0. Not the least bit more complicated other than the turbos.
What's funny to me is that no one wants a non-turbo diesel or questions the reliability of the turbo's on a diesel even though they are the same turbo's turning the same rpm and doing the same exact function.
What's funny to me is that no one wants a non-turbo diesel or questions the reliability of the turbo's on a diesel even though they are the same turbo's turning the same rpm and doing the same exact function.
#96
#97
Senior Member
Until ford can figure out how to put a snowplow package on the eco boost there will always be a market for the V-8. May not be a huge market segment but combined with those who just want a V-8 I would say that market is significant enough.
#98
Senior Member
It would be very foolish for Ford to stop offering a V8, whether it's the 5.0 or something else. The 3.5 may be more profitable, but they are still making very nice profits off the 5.0s (maybe not so much right now with all of the warranty repairs they are doing). Not offering a V8 at all would just push more people to the competition.
However, I do not see how anyone can definitively say Ford will always offer a V8. Sooner or later V8s will be obsolete. Maybe 10 years, maybe 50 years, but the time will come.
However, I do not see how anyone can definitively say Ford will always offer a V8. Sooner or later V8s will be obsolete. Maybe 10 years, maybe 50 years, but the time will come.
#99
It has nothing to do with technology or the market trends and all about Gov. interference. Ford had to create something to make that engine more acceptable to the consumer so they threw the low end torque thing and set the towing ratings in a such way that forces the consumer to choose the 3.5...
A 5.0 like mine have 2700lbs of payload capacity but only 10900 lbs of towing capacity, which is unbalanced and that for no reason. The 3.5 with 13K and the same payload is a balanced set up and more useful.... but again, there is really no reason for that other than forcing the consumer to buy something to help Ford to meet CAFE regulations....
Drop cafe regulations and the 3.5 eco (and the 10 spd trans.) will cease to exist - they exist so Ford can pass CAFE tests which, by the way, do not reflect reality.
Last edited by RACarvalho; 05-04-2019 at 12:37 PM.
#100
I would bet that the 3.5 is more expensive than the 5.0 to manufacture but it helps the CAFE thing.
It has nothing to do with technology or the market trends and all about Gov. interference. Ford had to create something to make that engine more acceptable to the consumer so they threw the low end torque thing and set the towing ratings in a such way that forces the consumer to choose the 3.5...
A 5.0 like mine have 2700lbs of payload capacity but only 10900 lbs of towing capacity, which is unbalanced and that for no reason. The 3.5 with 13K and the same payload is a balanced set up and more useful.... but again, there is really no reason for that other than forcing the consumer to buy something to help Ford to meet CAFE regulations....
Drop cafe regulations and the 3.5 eco (and the 10 spd trans.) will cease to exist - they exist so Ford can pass CAFE tests which, by the way, do not reflect reality.
It has nothing to do with technology or the market trends and all about Gov. interference. Ford had to create something to make that engine more acceptable to the consumer so they threw the low end torque thing and set the towing ratings in a such way that forces the consumer to choose the 3.5...
A 5.0 like mine have 2700lbs of payload capacity but only 10900 lbs of towing capacity, which is unbalanced and that for no reason. The 3.5 with 13K and the same payload is a balanced set up and more useful.... but again, there is really no reason for that other than forcing the consumer to buy something to help Ford to meet CAFE regulations....
Drop cafe regulations and the 3.5 eco (and the 10 spd trans.) will cease to exist - they exist so Ford can pass CAFE tests which, by the way, do not reflect reality.
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