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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 08:48 AM
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Dang got two
P2007 Intake manifold stuck closed
P0012 Timing retarded Bank 1

Cleared the codes to see which one came back first. The CEL has not come back on yet in 30 miles.

Can definitely tell the engine is not getting air when you get on it a little. Looks like the F150 has definately gone up on the crazy hot matrix and I'm getting ready to spend some coin.

Question: if the Phaser is clogged with oil triggering the 012 code would running some seafoam or engine cleaner possible clean that up and getting it working properly again? Or once they are clogged they are done? i have about 2,000 miles on the current oil.
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 09:59 AM
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"got some check engine lights, wondering what kind of magic spray i can spray to get them to go away"

Could just be your throttle body sticking? remove and clean?
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 11:17 AM
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check engine light was on this morning. Runs fine so far. What is your guess as to what it will be? I'll run the codes tonight.
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How many miles on it ??
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 11:22 AM
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If the light went away then the oil problem will go away soon too.

This is a fun game! Thanks for introducing it.

Do you use an oiled air filter? Regardless of the answer, perhaps you have an air flow issue, inspect the filter and beat out the dirt if it looks dirty.
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Elkmtb
Dang got two
P2007 Intake manifold stuck closed
P0012 Timing retarded Bank 1

Cleared the codes to see which one came back first. The CEL has not come back on yet in 30 miles.

Can definitely tell the engine is not getting air when you get on it a little. Looks like the F150 has definately gone up on the crazy hot matrix and I'm getting ready to spend some coin.

Question: if the Phaser is clogged with oil triggering the 012 code would running some seafoam or engine cleaner possible clean that up and getting it working properly again? Or once they are clogged they are done? i have about 2,000 miles on the current oil.
You have 2 completely different issues. Your Intake Manifold Runners on the driver side are not opening. This will be noticeable by a decrease in power at higher engine speeds. It my be a problem with wiring, the actuator, of gummed up internals in the intake manifold. Intake cleaner like Seafoam might help the P2007 if the issue is a gummed up intake but it will do nothing for the P0012.

Check your engine wiring harness for damage. Rodents love these wires.

P2007 - Intake Manifold Runner Control Stuck Closed Bank-2

Description:
This DTC sets when the IMRC is commanded open and the intake manifold runner control bank 2 (IMRC2) sensor indicates the IMRC is closed.

Possible Causes:
  • IMRC circuit open
  • IMRC2 circuit open
  • IMRC2 circuit short to voltage
  • Damaged IMRC actuator
  • Damaged IMRC solenoid
P0012 - Intake Camshaft Position Timing - Over-retarded Bank-1

Description:
This DTC sets when the VCT position is over-retarded. This DTC sets when the camshaft timing exceeds a maximum calibrated value or remains in a retarded position.

Possible Causes:
  • VCT unit to camshaft alignment
  • Camshaft timing incorrectly set
  • Continuous oil flow to the VCT piston chamber
  • Erratic camshaft position due to low oil pressure
  • Oil flow restriction in the oil passages or the VCT valve body
  • Variable Camshaft Timing Bank-1 Solenoid-1 (VCT11) valve stuck open
  • VCT11 circuit open
  • VCT11 circuit short to voltage
  • VCT11 circuit short to ground
  • VPWR circuit open
  • Camshaft advance mechanism binding (VCT unit)
  • Damaged VCT11 phaser
  • Damaged Camshaft Position Bank-1 Sensor-1 (CMP11)
  • CMP11 sensor circuits open
  • CMP11 sensor circuits short to voltage
  • CMP11 sensor circuits short to ground
  • Radio frequency interference
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 02:24 PM
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If the light went away then the oil problem will go away soon too.

This is a fun game! Thanks for introducing it.

Do you use an oiled air filter? Regardless of the answer, perhaps you have an air flow issue, inspect the filter and beat out the dirt if it looks dirty.
Not not an oiled air filter. 130,000 miles.
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 02:29 PM
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I have been getting the issue off and on where occasionally after running hard on the freeway and you exit and come to a stop light it idles rough or dies. But then runs fine. Most of my research tells me this is a fuel recycle purge valve but could also be related to VCT solenoids.
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Elkmtb
I have been getting the issue off and on where occasionally after running hard on the freeway and you exit and come to a stop light it idles rough or dies. But then runs fine. Most of my research tells me this is a fuel recycle purge valve but could also be related to VCT solenoids.
If it is the VCT, solenoid sticking or getting low pressure from hot thinned out overused dirty oil, change it ASAP. It has cleared cam positioning codes and the rough for others.
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Old Sep 2, 2022 | 09:35 PM
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For the 2007 code, there are two controllers on the rear of the intake manifold, one for each bank.
For the 12 code, the VCT operates off oil pressure gated by a sensor under PCM control.
It could be the sensor, VCT wear, oil viscosity or a combination of these.
Everyone wants an easy fix to complicated systems.
There are none 99% of the time but work at diagnostics and a process of elimination to get to a proper repair and accept this this is the way it goes, now.
These vehicles are 100 times more sensitive to oil maintenance intervals and care, as opposed to the old ones of 25 years ago.
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My 2002 4.6L has 321,000 miles plus and can go another 50k but the rear of the frame has rusted beyond state inspection limits, so I made the decision to purchase a later model to get out of the same issue over again 1 or 2 years later, if I fixed the frame and the engine or trans gave up.
Looking back, it was the right decision for my age.
Bottom line is you have to be realistic about it and not fool self!
Good luck.

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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 02:19 PM
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2016 xlt 4x4 sc 5.0 and I am pilling 012 and 022 codes. Mileage is at 210k. Time to retire?
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