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Old Feb 26, 2021 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamingtaco
As the truck was struck in the rear, have the leaf springs been compared to each other to see if one of them is bent?
i didnt check that, ill take it to a body shop, dealer said the frame was bent and **** and idk how because it was fixed after the accident and i saw the old alignment sheet and it was centered, could the frame or something else bend or something out of nowhere even after being fixed from a accident and ive been driving it for months and never had this problem even after the incident until now and now the thrust angle moved to 0.51 when it was at 0.0, i dont get how it couldve shifted either the frame or axle. Nothing was wrong until i dropped it at the dealer and picked it up, gon take it to body shop anyways.

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Old Feb 27, 2021 | 01:03 AM
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Your frame is not going to move unless you get hit again, jump it, drag a heavy trailer down rock crawling trails, etc. Anything less than that (aka normal driving), you're not going to see a frame shift enough to cause a change like that, unless it has developed a stress crack, which would be easily spotted during inspection.

So... I guess check the frame for cracks (which only very extremely rarely occur post-crash), and measure the leaf packs to see if the one on the side that got hit is not to spec, has cracks, indications of shifting of the u-bolts, etc.
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Old May 10, 2021 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamingtaco
Your frame is not going to move unless you get hit again, jump it, drag a heavy trailer down rock crawling trails, etc. Anything less than that (aka normal driving), you're not going to see a frame shift enough to cause a change like that, unless it has developed a stress crack, which would be easily spotted during inspection.

So... I guess check the frame for cracks (which only very extremely rarely occur post-crash), and measure the leaf packs to see if the one on the side that got hit is not to spec, has cracks, indications of shifting of the u-bolts, etc.

Heres the recent alignment check, thrust changed from .51 to .47, just need an alignment and they said it should be straight after doing so
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Old May 11, 2021 | 12:08 PM
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Was just thinking, I'd probably pick up a new set of u-bolts, toss the old ones, have them whack the axle to get as close to 0º as possible, then install the new ones and torque to spec, just to rule out the axle shifting on the springs.

Did the spring packs look uniform?
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Old May 11, 2021 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamingtaco
Was just thinking, I'd probably pick up a new set of u-bolts, toss the old ones, have them whack the axle to get as close to 0º as possible, then install the new ones and torque to spec, just to rule out the axle shifting on the springs.

Did the spring packs look uniform?
will buy them, and yes they look normal
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Old Oct 3, 2021 | 01:33 PM
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having the same issue right now with firestone. 2 alignments in two weeks, very different thrust angles. steering wheel is now off.
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Old Sep 10, 2022 | 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Neely
What kind of witchery is this?
well you just answered your own question… you don’t know what has to be done, which is why you’re there, and why you have to pay a premium for the information, bc the technician has. He has also invested thousands of dollars into machines used to calibrate(Witchery) and their annual subscription fee to learn and be able to diagnose new models as well as code(Tom foollery) and program(flim flam) Modules and get software updates(black magic)
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Old Sep 10, 2022 | 04:04 AM
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To refresh about alignment, here is what I had done and why.
It has worked out perfect on a 2018 5L.
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Purchased the truck used and noticed it had tendency to pull to the left and road crown sensitive.
As well, with a load of passengers and a small utility trailer load in tow, the steering was much more stable.
I decides based on this performance that I would go to an independent shop known for good work, to have a look at alignment.
I wanted more Caster alignment adjusted into the front, if possible and still stay within limits.
The printout before any changes was shown and actually was within specs.
Had more Caster put in and steering wheel centered to show 0 on the dash display, in the Off Road Display.
Results are as fine as I could ask for and now have self-tracking on level roadways to as much as over a 1/4 mile before a tendency to move either way, that likely is Suttle Road surface angle changes.
Since I am almost ready for a new set of tires, I wanted to be sure before they are installed.
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Be awhere that two sensors are present up under the steering wheel that measure steering Angle and amount of Torque applied to turn the wheel.
These signals are used for other system feedback functions such as the backup camera line control and an option in higher levels, for more steering control and other unknown functions.
Bottom line is the shop has to want to work at fine adjustments and not just pass it of as within spec.
Good luck.

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Old Sep 10, 2022 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass
To refresh about alignment, here is what I had done and why.
It has worked out perfect on a 2018 5L.
.
Purchased the truck used and noticed it had tendency to pull to the left and road crown sensitive.
As well, with a load of passengers and a small utility trailer load in tow, the steering was much more stable.
I decides based on this performance that I would go to an independent shop known for good work, to have a look at alignment.
I wanted more Caster alignment adjusted into the front, if possible and still stay within limits.
The printout before any changes was shown and actually was within specs.
Had more Caster put in and steering wheel centered to show 0 on the dash display, in the Off Road Display.
Results are as fine as I could ask for and now have self-tracking on level roadways to as much as over a 1/4 mile before a tendency to move either way, that likely is Suttle Road surface angle changes.
Since I am almost ready for a new set of tires, I wanted to be sure before they are installed.
.
Be awhere that two sensors are present up under the steering wheel that measure steering Angle and amount of Torque applied to turn the wheel.
These signals are used for other system feedback functions such as the backup camera line control and an option in higher levels, for more steering control and other unknown functions.
Bottom line is the shop has to want to work at fine adjustments and not just pass it of as within spec.
Good luck.
And therein lies the problem. Shops today want churn and burn, to adjust toe only and kick you out of the shop. Find a good independent shop that will take the time to do the full job correctly. You are the customer and are paying them to do a complete job. Tell them what you expect/want up front. If they start telling you how difficult it will be to get the alignment the way you want it, find another shop because they are only interested in taking your money and not in doing the job correctly. It may cost a little more to go to a good shop, but it's worth it to get a proper alignment.
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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 09:22 AM
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So years ago II had a dealer that was not my normal tire shop replace tires, they put on Goodear somethings, and did alignment, it pulled to one side, tires rotated a few times and 3 realignments by this vehichle dealer not my tire shop. No help the printed out alignment testing always showed perfect. Finally I went to my reqular Goodyear tire shop, they said the problem was a faulty tire from Goodyear that would have been covered under the tire warranty if the dealership had diagnosed the problem correctly but now the tires have too many miles on them for Goodyear tire warranty. A new set of tires and no touch of the alignment and all was good. Some places just don't know what they are doing.
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