2018 5.0 Issues
05-29-2018, 05:30 PM
#91
Thanks, It does seem like we are driving the same truck. The truck runs and drives great, the noise is just annoying for now. If it continues, I will have to bring it in so they can at least get it on record in the system.
05-30-2018, 09:13 PM
#92
2018 V8 F150 Major Junk
I have dealt with the popping noise after acceleration and letting off to decel (Ford says its normal) Intake Valve Related.
Then I had a PCM failure. Replaced by Ford
Since getting it back drove it 1000 miles to retrain but still runs and shifts like crap. 30 plus days in dealer and dealer found I was running on 7 cylinders... FMC from MI had to remote into my truck to fix PCM issues.
Despite having it a month FMC rep said no noises found. I reproduced for dealer day I picked it back up, dealer reps verified and amended my ticket, recorded more on video. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEt...1Pu0k7j6Aer-EQ
Dealer said to call Ford and request a buy back or replacement Waited a week and they came back to say my truck is 100% normal (tough luck) no assistance. Sue us. So I am!
I called the dealer back and have an appointment again Friday for the noise that I can repeat all the time but they and Ford have done nothing to address. In addition my truck still runs like crap, pings all the time between 1500 and 2000 rpm, pulses under low RPM up hills like a wounded dog. Total embarrassment for a 55k truck.
So In the 5 months I have owned this POS it has been in the shop like 65 days. I have on my own driven other 2018 V8 10 Speed trucks. The popping noise we hear after acceleration and letting off at normal driving speeds does seem to be louder in some trucks than others. I'll chalk it up to NORMAL LOL. The Rat-a-Tat-Tat when rolling and letting off the gas is NOT normal and I have only been able to produce it in my truck... (although this board comforts me in that I am not alone) The pinging and pulsing didn't exist in mine for the first 3000 miles until they replaced a melted down PCM, and none of the other new ones I have driven drive like mine either so NOT NORMAL in my case.
I have purchased a Steelman 97202 Wireless ChassisEAR Diagnostic Device Kit I want to isolate these noises so I stop getting BS's by FORD and FMC. Then I can strap them on NEW trucks to directly compare when they say our crap is NORMAL
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Apples (05-30-2018)
05-31-2018, 11:55 AM
#93
I also have the rattling when letting foot off the gas on the 2018 5.0. I will have more of an update in the next couple days, but wanted to let some of you know what I found out yesterday from the dealer.
I took it is yesterday for the TCM update (TSB 17-2662) for builds prior to December (makes a fairly large difference, BTW... definitely a better driving experience now), and for the rattle. It was 70 and rainy yesterday. It rattled in my driveway, then after the 20 minute driver to the dealer it didn't. So they couldn't reproduce it. However, I took video of it doing it the night before so I showed that to the mechanic. He was really good, seemed to really know what he was talking about. He immediately new it was one of two things. I don't remember one of the things he said, but the other one was the VCT selenoid. Sure enough, you can atually feel it vibrate when it happens. So it is NOT the timing chain. The mechanic said that it opening and closing, causing the rattle, is computer controlled. This exlains why MyronE had this replaced and it didn't fix the problem.
Also, we started up another vehicle on their lot that was a September build and is brand new (11 miles on the clock). It did the same thing, re: rattle. Later today I'm going to the dealer I bought it from for its first (free) oil change, and will ask to try a newer build 5.0 and see if it rattles. I actually trust the other dealer's mechanics more, and they got me in sooner. Also, the mechanic said he was going to send a note into Ford through their system as to the VCT selenoid rattle and see what their response is, and have the serive advisor call me back possibly as early as today. He said if enough people/dealers compain about it that they might come out with a software fix (as of now it seems to be mostly improperly diagnosed).
I will update later when I know more, but the rattle doesn't seem to be anything to worry about in the 5.0.
I took it is yesterday for the TCM update (TSB 17-2662) for builds prior to December (makes a fairly large difference, BTW... definitely a better driving experience now), and for the rattle. It was 70 and rainy yesterday. It rattled in my driveway, then after the 20 minute driver to the dealer it didn't. So they couldn't reproduce it. However, I took video of it doing it the night before so I showed that to the mechanic. He was really good, seemed to really know what he was talking about. He immediately new it was one of two things. I don't remember one of the things he said, but the other one was the VCT selenoid. Sure enough, you can atually feel it vibrate when it happens. So it is NOT the timing chain. The mechanic said that it opening and closing, causing the rattle, is computer controlled. This exlains why MyronE had this replaced and it didn't fix the problem.
Also, we started up another vehicle on their lot that was a September build and is brand new (11 miles on the clock). It did the same thing, re: rattle. Later today I'm going to the dealer I bought it from for its first (free) oil change, and will ask to try a newer build 5.0 and see if it rattles. I actually trust the other dealer's mechanics more, and they got me in sooner. Also, the mechanic said he was going to send a note into Ford through their system as to the VCT selenoid rattle and see what their response is, and have the serive advisor call me back possibly as early as today. He said if enough people/dealers compain about it that they might come out with a software fix (as of now it seems to be mostly improperly diagnosed).
I will update later when I know more, but the rattle doesn't seem to be anything to worry about in the 5.0.
05-31-2018, 08:48 PM
#95
Senior Member
The rattle we hear when rolling slowly and letting off the gas comes from the VCT solenoids, I revved mine up in neutral and you can feel it on the solenoids. As for the Pop we hear when letting off the gas under moderate to heavy acceleration is most likely the intake runners control on the back of the intake manifold switching modes. The Ping from 1500-2000 is spark knock because the engine is lugging. I REALLY hope Ford comes out with a new calibration to fix this!
Once you get the Chasis Ears you can verify the noises.
Once you get the Chasis Ears you can verify the noises.
05-31-2018, 10:01 PM
#96
The rattle we hear when rolling slowly and letting off the gas comes from the VCT solenoids, I revved mine up in neutral and you can feel it on the solenoids. As for the Pop we hear when letting off the gas under moderate to heavy acceleration is most likely the intake runners control on the back of the intake manifold switching modes. The Ping from 1500-2000 is spark knock because the engine is lugging. I REALLY hope Ford comes out with a new calibration to fix this!
Once you get the Chasis Ears you can verify the noises.
Once you get the Chasis Ears you can verify the noises.
Ford's approach that everything is NORMAL is beyond astounding to me. I have owned since married; 1997 Ram Caravan, 2005 Chevy Suburban, 2011 Suburban, 2013 and 2014 Ram 1500 and now this POS F150. My wife has had a 1993 VW Passat, 1995 Jetta, 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix, 2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 2006 Honda Pilot, 2009 Toyota Sienna, and a 2014 Sienna and now a 2014 MB GL450. All mixes of used and new throughout the years. The only vehicle that has had an issue this severe was the 1993 Passat which was a total disaster but at least VW stepped up in the end and said this is crap and put us into a Jetta that ran 100k+ without anything other than an alternator. The Ram's all suffered transmission issues and Ram put me into the 2014 after two trannies in the 2013 before 36k. The 2014 at 56k was having the same issues to I gave up, and purchased the more expensive BUILD TOUGH! Ford....... which is just like the VW Passat (which I called Piso Shatta) where we have to record and prove on my own that there is a problem that is NOT normal.
05-31-2018, 10:09 PM
#97
Senior Member
Drew, I have the exact same thing going on. I can say that my click/snap isn't always the same volume and I can actually manipulate it to make it happen.
If I accelerate then slowly let off, I can' barely hear it, or it's not doing it.
What I can do is get up to 20/30 mph and let off totally and it's loud, right on cue every time. I also can feel it, which feels like, under the front of the passenger footwell.
If I'm cruising along normally at 35 or 40 mph and give it a little gas and let off, I hear it again, every time.
I've been under the truck 4 times now and I can't find anything, plus it has to be moving. I can't just rev it in park and hear it.
Aside from that, everything else is great. I wouldn't discourage anyone from this powertrain.It's not the engine we're talking about it's the transmission.
It's the standard combo for the Platinum now.. I think Ford is plenty confident with this powertrain in basically their top of the line package.
We'll figure it out eventually and all will be fine..! It has been for 13 straight years, in 4 different trucks.
On a side note. I'm willing to bet if GM didn't have their hands in or around this 10 speed, there would be no issues.
Two friends, one with a 2014 Silverado and one with a 2016 Silverado. A total of 17 combined recalls with their transmissions.
If I accelerate then slowly let off, I can' barely hear it, or it's not doing it.
What I can do is get up to 20/30 mph and let off totally and it's loud, right on cue every time. I also can feel it, which feels like, under the front of the passenger footwell.
If I'm cruising along normally at 35 or 40 mph and give it a little gas and let off, I hear it again, every time.
I've been under the truck 4 times now and I can't find anything, plus it has to be moving. I can't just rev it in park and hear it.
Aside from that, everything else is great. I wouldn't discourage anyone from this powertrain.It's not the engine we're talking about it's the transmission.
It's the standard combo for the Platinum now.. I think Ford is plenty confident with this powertrain in basically their top of the line package.
We'll figure it out eventually and all will be fine..! It has been for 13 straight years, in 4 different trucks.
On a side note. I'm willing to bet if GM didn't have their hands in or around this 10 speed, there would be no issues.
Two friends, one with a 2014 Silverado and one with a 2016 Silverado. A total of 17 combined recalls with their transmissions.
05-31-2018, 10:11 PM
#98
Senior Member
05-31-2018, 10:15 PM
#99
06-01-2018, 12:53 AM
#100
The rattle we hear when rolling slowly and letting off the gas comes from the VCT solenoids, I revved mine up in neutral and you can feel it on the solenoids. As for the Pop we hear when letting off the gas under moderate to heavy acceleration is most likely the intake runners control on the back of the intake manifold switching modes. The Ping from 1500-2000 is spark knock because the engine is lugging. I REALLY hope Ford comes out with a new calibration to fix this!
Once you get the Chasis Ears you can verify the noises.
Once you get the Chasis Ears you can verify the noises.
The question is... how do we notify ford? I guess by taking to dealer since ford tracks this kind of thing? If you call the general number you get someone in china that isnt in any position to pass along the issues to the engineers.