atvtinker

That is the one thing I LOVE about this new 6.7L diesel. No smoke! Of course, you do have to keep up with DEF fluid which is not really that bad of a hassle since it only has to be replenished every 8000 miles. Ruger if it were me I'd go with the F-150 since you are only doing occasional towing, but if you ever plan on going bigger then go with the F-250. The F-250 should definitely last a good long time as far as mileage and you won't have to worry about if you get a bigger trailer unless you go REALLY big.

smokeywren

Then if you get an F-150 be certain to order both the max payload pkg and the HD payload pkg. That will give you 17,100 GCWR and 8,200 GVWR. And you'll need all of that capacity for those 7,600 pound GVWR trailers.

No, you probably won't find your truck in stock. So plan on ordering and waiting 6 to 8 weeks for delivery. I've done that several times over the last 50 years, and to get exactly what you want is well worth the planning ahead and then the long wait.

Your logic is questionable. You'll settle for a gasser with a half-ton, but for the 3/4-ton you insist on a diesel? An F-250 with a gasser will cost very little more than an F-150 with an EcoBoost. But add about $7000 to replace the 6.2L gasser with a PowerStroke in the F-250.

With proper maintenance, a gas engine will last about 200,000 miles, while the diesel with the same TLC will last about 400,000 miles. But the engine is only part of the cost of owning a long-term pickup. The other parts, such as transmission, torque converter, water pump, brakes, AC, shocks, tires, differentials, suspension, etc. won't last any longer on a diesel than they will on a gasser.

Ignore dry weights. Assume the tongue weight on a wet and loaded TT will be 15% of the GVWR of the TT. Assume the pin weight on a wet and loaded 5er will be 20% of the GVWR of the 5er.

New F-150 SuperCrew Lariat 4x4 pickups with EcoBoost engines have three different payload capacities, depending on other options. GVWR of 7,200 pounds, 7,700 pounds or 8,200 pounds.

Standard is 7,200 pounds, or around 1,100 payload. Add the max tow pkg and GVWR and payload go up 500 pounds. Add HD payload pkg and GVWR and payload go up another 500 pounds. So you want both the max tow pkg (includes towing mirrors and brake controller) and HD Payload pkg to haul the trailers you're considering without being overloaded.

On Ford.com's F-150 build&price page, with the EcoBoost engine you must select 3.73 limited slip axle to get the HD payload pkg. On the "packages" page, notice the HD payload pkg and max tow pkg are already selected because you chose the 3.73 limited slip axle.

If you choose the 3.73 E-locker axle with the EcoBoost engine, you will get the max tow pkg but not the payload pkg.

If you choose the 3.31 or 3.55 axle, you won't see either the HD payload pkg or the max tow pkg.

Diesel, yes. But gasser, maybe not.

2013 F-250 XL 6.2L 4x4 CrewCab shorty with power windows, doorlocks and mirrors, value pkg (includes cruise control), trailer tow mirrors, trailer brake controller, cloth seat from the XLT, snow plow prep with 3.55 e-locker axle = MSRP of 39,500 with $1,000 rebate off of that.

KBB says the invoice cost of that truck is 36,326. Most dealers will order that truck for you for less than $37k plus TT&L. My 2012 EcoBoost Lariat 4x2 SuperCrew cost me a hair over $40k plus TT&L.

Of course, there are a bunch of options available that will push the cost of the truck up to Oh! My! Gosh! But you don't really need those gee-gaws, so skip the expensive options and trim to get the trailer hauler you need for less than the cost of my F-150 EcoBoost.

The F-150 EcoBoost with HD Payload pkg and max tow pkg will tow a smaller 5er with GVWR up to about 10,000 pounds with no danger of overloading the 8,200 pounds GVWR of he truck. But of course the F-250 with 9,900 or 10,000 pounds GVWR will haul about 1,500 pounds more hitch weight than the maxed-out F-150 without being overloaded. Also note there is a 10,000 GVWR pkg available for the F-250 gasser that will give you another 100 pounds of payload capacity.

ruger3.5

I understand I will pay more than 36-38 for a diesel, I was trying to say if I am going to spend 40k I would rather it just be on a diesel. The most I think on it the more I am incline to just save up a little while longer and go with the SD.

ruger3.5

Smokey, the reason for the jump to diesel with the 3/4 ton is MPG. I will be using it to drive back and forth to the camp or go places occasionally and would rather not get 12 MPG empty. I also think diesel in 3/4 ton will hold it's resale value a lot better in the event I ever need to sell or want something else. I think the worst decision was stopping to look the other day. I've never driven a SD so the salesmen got me on a test drive and I loved it.

smokeywren

You're right, but turn the shoe around. You can buy a 4-year-old F-250 gasser for a give-away price, while the same year diesel will still cost you an arm, a leg, and your firstborn son.

ruger3.5

Haven't thought of it from that perspective, but you're looking at half the torque and at higher rpm' s. I am not the most patient person so thinking about having to save for a year or so to make the down payment and get the monthly payment where I am comfortable is nearly unbearable lol.

And you're in big deer country there smoky!

smokeywren

Not really. We're on the fringe area of deer country. To get to the real deer country you must go south/southeast a hundred miles or so. We travel to Austin regularly, thru the Hill Country between Brady and Austin. Anywhere south/southeast of San Angelo, but especially between Brady and Austin, you'd better be wide awake or else have a Bambi-guard on the front of your rig.

Although the deer are few and far between this far north of the Hill Coutry, Darling Daughter collected a Bambi about 50 miles south of here, near Big Lake. She was driving a Toyota Corolla about 70 MPH and Bambi went through the windshield and caught on the upper windshield frame. She was lucky and didn't get hurt, but the car was a mess.

atvtinker

You're right when it comes to the gas mileage of the 6.2L gasser. Most people around here are only getting 15 mpg and that's if they baby it. I regularly get 21 mpg with the 6.7L diesel unloaded and 13 mpg pulling my 5th wheel camper. Only regret I have about my truck is I wish I had gotten it in a Supercrew. They ride smoother than my Supercab long bed.