I'm new here and have been looking at the various threads on payload ratings. Ford is contradicting themselves in the 2023 Towing Guide(pg 13) regarding slide-in campers. On one hand they say the F-150 requires the HDPP option which is only available on the XL. The picture on pg 13 shows a King Ranch SuperCrew, which should not have the HDPP option since it's not an XL, with a fairly large sized camper on it. It's very misleading.

Also confusing is the payload sticker for my truck says passengers and cargo should not exceed 1731lbs. In the towing guide it lists 1744lbs for a 4x4 Supercrew, 157" wheelbase, 3.5LGTDI so they are essentially the same. The difference is that in the Towing Guide as well as the Truck-Camper-Loading guide say cargo weight capability is exclusive of the occupant weight, computed as 150lbs times the number of seats. That would be 750lbs for a supercrew. So, it is 1744lbs with no people in the camper like when it's moving and an allowing of up to 750lbs in the camper like when it's parked? That contradicts the payload sticker. My GVWR is 7150lbs, front GAWR is 3750lbs and rear GAWR is 3800lbs.

From the truck-camper-loading guide:
“Cargo Weight Rating” means the value specified by the manufacturer as the cargo-carrying capacity, in pounds, of a vehicle, exclusive of the weight of the occupants (in the vehicle), computed as 150 pounds times the number of designated seating positions.

I'm having a hard time with the idea I can't put a lightweight camper such as a FWC Hawk on my new F-150. It's certainly much lighter than the one they picture in the 2023 Towing Guide. A lightweight camper with typical options, 2 people and supplies would hit 1731lbs pretty quickly, I think. What am I missing?

Mike

 

A. The tow guide is just that, a guide. It’s not vehicle specific.

B. There are disclaimers all throughout the tow guide/brochure that states it’s not vehicle specific, refer to your owners manual.

C. The payload in the advertising brochure is generic, your payload sticker is based on your specific truck and is 100 percent correct.

D. For payload, know what is included already (weight you don’t have to account for) and what isn’t…last time I checked, they accounted for 1 driver at 150lbs…but could be wrong

E. You can put a slide in camper on any truck as long as it doesn’t exceed your vehicles payload

F. Yes, the payload on most F150 is shy of 2000 pounds. Most will exceed that quickly with a slide in camper with gear.

good luck!

 

Unless things have recently changed, payload is truck filled with fluids and gas, no people. Towing includes 150# person. Take the 1744# and subtract people weight, camper weight, and belongings. Keep it close and you'll be fine. It gets worse when people are close with a travel trailer, there are other dynamics and forces working against you. IMO slide in campers are Superduty territory, if it's a lease, run it hard as others. If it's yours, choose wisely.

 

Things have changed, a couple years ago. The towing ratings now allow for a driver and ONE passenger, each at 150#. It’s also supposed to allow 100# for a WDH.
Cargo capacity has not changed. Cargo capacity equals GVWR minus curb weight (all fluids full). So all people are part of cargo.

 

Payload is specific to a single individual truck. I've seen some F150's as low as 1100 lbs and some a bit over 2000. IMO a 1/2 ton isn't enough truck for a slide in camper. A F250 will start at around 2000 lbs payload and some exceed 3000.

And you can forget the payload sticker. Take your truck somewhere and actually weigh it. Subtract that from the GVWR for your truck's true payload. For most people it will be less than what is on the sticker because of modifications and gear that is stowed in the truck. Often by quite a bit.

 

I wonder how much the average Ford owner weighs compared to the allowable 150…

 

Im 10 lbs over, she’s 35 lbs under, so I guess we still fit.

 

Thanks, everyone. As the expression goes, it's clear as mud! It makes no sense that they would even mention passenger weight of 150lbs x number of available seats. The owners manual doesn't say much other than the weight of the occupants is part of the payload and a slide-in camper is not recommended for a F-150 SuperCrew. Looks like I'll be heading off to a scale in the near future.