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Old 04-24-2017, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Yinger
Just picked up a 2014 3.5 ecoboost 4x4 supercrew XLT with tow package 3.55 gearing.

More than enough power and torque to drag your race trailer over hill and dale.


I believe it's rated for 7200lbs.
Correct.


It will be my daily, but I'd like to be able to trailer my track car to the racetracks on weekends. The trailer will weigh around 1500 lbs and my track car is around 3900 lbs. will my truck be able handle this haul?
That's 5,400 pounds gross trailer weight, which if properly loaded will be about 700 pounds tongue weight. Because tongue weight is more than 500 pounds, you must have a weight-distributing hitch, which will add another 100 pounds or so to the hitch weight for a quality sway-control weight-distributing hitch.


So you have two challenges to overcome. 1] You must have a WD hitch, and 2], you'll have to pay attention to the weight you haul in the truck and trailer if you don't want to be overloaded.


*edit - after more research, i'm beginning to think i got the wrong truck... i don't think i have the max tow package and now worried that the truck won't be able to do what i originally purchased it for.
What you want to do is do-able without overloading your tow vehicle, but it will be frustrating because it will be so easy to exceed the payload capacity of your F-150 if you don't carefully consider every pound you want to haul with you.


As soon as you have the truck and trailer loaded and the WD hitch hooked up, drive to a truck stop that has a certified automated truck scale, fill up with gas, then weigh the wet and loaded rig. Add the weights on the steer (front) and drive (rear) axles of the truck to get GVW. Compare the GVW to the GVWR of the truck. Then, and only then, will you know how much payload capacity, if any, you have available for additional weight in the truck and trailer.


Don't be misled by the power of your truck to drag that race trailer over the Rockies at breakneck speed. It will do that. That 3.5L EcoBoost drivetrain is amazing. But the frame, suspension, tires and brakes are intended for a half-ton pickup, and are easy to overload, even if you're paying attention. My similar F-150 EcoBoost is overloaded with a trailer that grosses less than 5,000 pounds. And mine is a 4x2 that has a coupla hundred pounds more payload capacity than your 4x4.

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Old 04-25-2017, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Yinger
My payload is a whopping 1287! Very low.

I was up all night researching, but it seems like a WDH is the way to go just to be on the safe side. Since it will be an open car hauler, is it still necessary to get one with sway control?

I'm assuming the tongue will weigh about 500 to 600 lbs with the wdh with the hitch itself being around 100. That would only leave me with about 500lbs for myself, extra set of wheels, and gas cans?

Thanks for the feedback.
You would have to put as much cargo as possible off the truck and on the trailer.

I'm towing a 6640# toy hauler with 900# tongue weight. Driver, tonneau cover, spray in bed liner, weight distribution hitch and a couple of tools weigh 367 lbs.

16% of the 900# tongue weight was transferred to the trailer axles by the weight distribution hitch. So 71% of the 1607# payload is used up leaving 460 lbs. for passengers. If the payload had been 1287#, it would have used up 89% of the payload.

Yours might sneak in under the limits, but you will have to watch it. Only way to know is to take it to the scales.

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Very informative! Appreciate all the insight fellas
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Originally Posted by WXman
1287 payload? I didn't think that was possible on a F-150. I have the same truck with the 5.0 and my payload is hundreds more.
Very possible on a 2014 ....

Max Tow on the pre 2015's added about 300#'s to the GVWR.
HDPP added a bunch more.

On 2015+, max tow adds nothing to GVWR...HDPP adds a bunch.

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2014 EB 4x4 SCREW 157" WB
            Max GVWR / Max Payload
Std            7350# / 1560#
w/Max Tow      7700# / 1840#  
w/HDPP         8200# / 2310#

2015+ EB 4x4 SCREW 156.8" WB
            Max GVWR / Max Payload
Std            7050# /  2010#
w/Max Tow      7050# /  2010#
w/HDPP17       7600# /  2420#
w/HDPP18       7850# /  2650#
And remember the Max payload #'s above are for a base XL with no options.
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Wow, what a difference a year makes!
Old 05-04-2017, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by photomankc
Wow, what a difference a year makes!

Usually when a manufacturer spouts "all new", that's just sales hype. But when Ford came out with the 2015 aluminum-bodied F-150, it was a completely different truck than the 2014 F-150. It wasn't "all new", but it was certainly a lot different.
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Originally Posted by charles_slc
Very possible on a 2014 ....

Max Tow on the pre 2015's added about 300#'s to the GVWR.
HDPP added a bunch more.

On 2015+, max tow adds nothing to GVWR...HDPP adds a bunch.

Code:
2014 EB 4x4 SCREW 157" WB
            Max GVWR / Max Payload
Std            7350# / 1560#
w/Max Tow      7700# / 1840#  
w/HDPP         8200# / 2310#

2015+ EB 4x4 SCREW 156.8" WB
            Max GVWR / Max Payload
Std            7050# /  2010#
w/Max Tow      7050# /  2010#
w/HDPP17       7600# /  2420#
w/HDPP18       7850# /  2650#
And remember the Max payload #'s above are for a base XL with no options.


But what's confusing me is that according to what he told us about his truck, he's got the exact same configuration as me, except engines. My sticker shows a 7,350 lb. GVWR and 1,574 lb. payload, and the manual shows a 7,700 lb. max towing capacity.

How is his truck rated so low? Especially in the same XLT trim?
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Originally Posted by WXman
But what's confusing me is that according to what he told us about his truck, he's got the exact same configuration as me, except engines. My sticker shows a 7,350 lb. GVWR and 1,574 lb. payload, and the manual shows a 7,700 lb. max towing capacity.

How is his truck rated so low? Especially in the same XLT trim?

not sure if it makes a difference, but i have the 5.5 feet bed, not the 6.5.

My max GVWR is 7200 lbs.
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Originally Posted by WXman
But what's confusing me is that according to what he told us about his truck, he's got the exact same configuration as me, except engines. My sticker shows a 7,350 lb. GVWR and 1,574 lb. payload, and the manual shows a 7,700 lb. max towing capacity.

How is his truck rated so low? Especially in the same XLT trim?
The 3.5 EB is actually 10# heavier than the 5.0L.

Max payload on a 13/14 4x4 SCREW with 5.0L and 157" WB is 1,570#

He doesn't tell us what other options he has....
Skid plates and 36gal fuel tank for instance, take-a-way close to 200# of payload.
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Originally Posted by Yinger
not sure if it makes a difference, but i have the 5.5 feet bed, not the 6.5.

My max GVWR is 7200 lbs.
That costs you 40# of payload....your truck started at 1520# vs 1560# for the 6.5 bed.



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