Trouble with the Wife already
02-22-2021, 02:37 PM
#11
Senior Member
We started getting serious about shopping for travel trailers recently and went to look at some yesterday. Saw an East to West Alta 2800KBH that my wife and kids loved. It's about 33ft long and 8800 GVWR. I originally thought it was at the max of our towing capability but didn't want to tow over 30ft. I originally "guestimated" more of my numbers for truck weight(passengers and cargo) but got it weighed today with what I think would be our total wet and loaded weight. Can I get some advice on if my numbers are right please? I've already upset the wife because we can't get the one she likes already so I want to make sure my numbers are completely right before I waste more of our time looking for the wrong trailers.
TLDR: Is 7000lb my max tow weight?
Truck
2019 F-150 XLT RWD Screw with tow package(36 gal tank, Integrated brake controller, 3.55 electronic locking)
GVWR: 6,800
Front GAWR: 3,225
Rear GAWR: 3,800
Payload Capacity: 1,902
Max Trailer Weight(according to hitch receiver): 11,600
Max Tongue Weight(according to hitch receiver): 1,160
Loaded Weight: 5,780
Payload available for hitch weight: 1,020
WD Hitch(I don't have this yet): Assuming 100
Payload available for tongue weight: 920
Max Trailer Weight: 7,076
TLDR: Is 7000lb my max tow weight?
Truck
2019 F-150 XLT RWD Screw with tow package(36 gal tank, Integrated brake controller, 3.55 electronic locking)
GVWR: 6,800
Front GAWR: 3,225
Rear GAWR: 3,800
Payload Capacity: 1,902
Max Trailer Weight(according to hitch receiver): 11,600
Max Tongue Weight(according to hitch receiver): 1,160
Loaded Weight: 5,780
Payload available for hitch weight: 1,020
WD Hitch(I don't have this yet): Assuming 100
Payload available for tongue weight: 920
Max Trailer Weight: 7,076
15,200# GCWR
10,100# Tow rating
As always remember factory tow rating are for an empty truck with a full tank (curb weight) and you as a 150# driver (in the 2019 guide).
Curb weight can be estimated as GVWR minus truck Load Capacity.
Also, best bet is to weigh the truck as currently optioned for a true curb weight. Even better is to weigh it the way it would be loaded for camping with people, WDH thrown in, and other stuff. Subtract that from the GCWR and that will be your true tow capacity. Mine charts at 9100# but after weighing is only 8,710#.
The Trailer Brake Controller, 3.55, and 36 gallon tank were seperate options from the towing package that year, but were included with the Max Tow package that required the 3.5EB all years before 2021.
Edit: The values off the hitch sticker are for just the hitch, not the truck.
The 7000# tow limit is for 3.5EB and 5.0 WITHOUT a factory towing package.
Last edited by Boomerweps; 02-22-2021 at 02:44 PM.
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02-22-2021, 10:24 PM
#12
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Have you looked at Grand Design Imagine 2800BH or 2910BH models with the bunk house? They're about the same size as the Alta unit but slightly less heavy. And when you're on the edge to your vehicle's capabilities, sometimes 800 lbs. can keep from breaking the camel's back. I am impressed with the quality and the customer satisfaction of Grand Design--all things relative.
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02-22-2021, 10:27 PM
#13
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Based on your info, the 2019 Ford Towing Guide charts out at:
15,200# GCWR
10,100# Tow rating
As always remember factory tow rating are for an empty truck with a full tank (curb weight) and you as a 150# driver (in the 2019 guide).
Curb weight can be estimated as GVWR minus truck Load Capacity.
Also, best bet is to weigh the truck as currently optioned for a true curb weight. Even better is to weigh it the way it would be loaded for camping with people, WDH thrown in, and other stuff. Subtract that from the GCWR and that will be your true tow capacity. Mine charts at 9100# but after weighing is only 8,710#.
The Trailer Brake Controller, 3.55, and 36 gallon tank were seperate options from the towing package that year, but were included with the Max Tow package that required the 3.5EB all years before 2021.
Edit: The values off the hitch sticker are for just the hitch, not the truck.
The 7000# tow limit is for 3.5EB and 5.0 WITHOUT a factory towing package.
15,200# GCWR
10,100# Tow rating
As always remember factory tow rating are for an empty truck with a full tank (curb weight) and you as a 150# driver (in the 2019 guide).
Curb weight can be estimated as GVWR minus truck Load Capacity.
Also, best bet is to weigh the truck as currently optioned for a true curb weight. Even better is to weigh it the way it would be loaded for camping with people, WDH thrown in, and other stuff. Subtract that from the GCWR and that will be your true tow capacity. Mine charts at 9100# but after weighing is only 8,710#.
The Trailer Brake Controller, 3.55, and 36 gallon tank were seperate options from the towing package that year, but were included with the Max Tow package that required the 3.5EB all years before 2021.
Edit: The values off the hitch sticker are for just the hitch, not the truck.
The 7000# tow limit is for 3.5EB and 5.0 WITHOUT a factory towing package.
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02-23-2021, 08:04 PM
#15
We looked at the Alta 2800. We thought it was better than the GD 2800BH, with the two big advantages being the King bed and Azdel construction. It's an awesome trailer, but too big for an F150 unless you have a HDPP equipped truck.
I just went through this search and wound up with a 24' bunkhouse (just under 29' overall) and GVWR of under 7,500 LBS. that will be a lot more comfortable to tow. If you are dead set on something that size, we looked at a Coachmen Spirit 2963BH. A lot of the same good stuff the Alta has and it's still too long (in my opinion) at 34', but it has a more reasonable GVWR of 7,600 LBS. and the super wide axle spacing which should help with sway. It is Azdel construction, like the Alta. It is missing the King bed, the bathroom has a standard RV tub/shower instead of the nice walk-in shower and the gray water tank capacity is not great, but if you want the space and don't mind pushing up to the towing limits of the F150 this one could be a compromise
I just went through this search and wound up with a 24' bunkhouse (just under 29' overall) and GVWR of under 7,500 LBS. that will be a lot more comfortable to tow. If you are dead set on something that size, we looked at a Coachmen Spirit 2963BH. A lot of the same good stuff the Alta has and it's still too long (in my opinion) at 34', but it has a more reasonable GVWR of 7,600 LBS. and the super wide axle spacing which should help with sway. It is Azdel construction, like the Alta. It is missing the King bed, the bathroom has a standard RV tub/shower instead of the nice walk-in shower and the gray water tank capacity is not great, but if you want the space and don't mind pushing up to the towing limits of the F150 this one could be a compromise
Last edited by biz77; 02-23-2021 at 08:11 PM.
02-24-2021, 06:01 AM
#16
Senior Member
ALMOST agree. I’d say that is the upper COMFORT range for an F150, especially without Max Tow and/HDPP. Pulling above becomes a lot more work and frequent tongue weight concerns.
02-24-2021, 11:12 AM
#17
Junior Member
Thread Starter
It is too big yea. We did really feel at home immediately in it, which was weird. It's also like 33ft long so more than what I want to tow.
02-24-2021, 03:58 PM
#18
Senior Member
We started getting serious about shopping for travel trailers recently and went to look at some yesterday. Saw an East to West Alta 2800KBH that my wife and kids loved. It's about 33ft long and 8800 GVWR. I originally thought it was at the max of our towing capability but didn't want to tow over 30ft. I originally "guestimated" more of my numbers for truck weight(passengers and cargo) but got it weighed today with what I think would be our total wet and loaded weight. Can I get some advice on if my numbers are right please? I've already upset the wife because we can't get the one she likes already so I want to make sure my numbers are completely right before I waste more of our time looking for the wrong trailers.
TLDR: Is 7000lb my max tow weight?
Truck
2019 F-150 XLT RWD Screw with tow package(36 gal tank, Integrated brake controller, 3.55 electronic locking)
GVWR: 6,800
Front GAWR: 3,225
Rear GAWR: 3,800
Payload Capacity: 1,902
Max Trailer Weight(according to hitch receiver): 11,600
Max Tongue Weight(according to hitch receiver): 1,160
Loaded Weight: 5,780
Payload available for hitch weight: 1,020
WD Hitch(I don't have this yet): Assuming 100
Payload available for tongue weight: 920
Max Trailer Weight: 7,076
TLDR: Is 7000lb my max tow weight?
Truck
2019 F-150 XLT RWD Screw with tow package(36 gal tank, Integrated brake controller, 3.55 electronic locking)
GVWR: 6,800
Front GAWR: 3,225
Rear GAWR: 3,800
Payload Capacity: 1,902
Max Trailer Weight(according to hitch receiver): 11,600
Max Tongue Weight(according to hitch receiver): 1,160
Loaded Weight: 5,780
Payload available for hitch weight: 1,020
WD Hitch(I don't have this yet): Assuming 100
Payload available for tongue weight: 920
Max Trailer Weight: 7,076
I believe the hitch receiver on the 150 maxes out at 1050 lbs with a WDH, doesn't it?
OP - look under the hitch receiver to see what the sticker shows the max load can be.
If you go this route do yourself a favor and invest in a ProPride 3P hitch. I had a 33' TT and it was an awful experience with my 150 and Blue Ox SP.
I upgraded to a 250 and ProPride hitch and never looked back. I can't even explain how much better the experience is.
Last edited by Magnetic157; 02-24-2021 at 04:01 PM.
02-24-2021, 04:18 PM
#19
Senior Member
02-25-2021, 11:06 AM
#20
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