Towing specs and suggestions for 2018 3.5 Ecoboost and 5.0 V8 needed
#11
Grumpy Old Man
So.... given what I have posted. What might the best gear ratio be for the 3.5 (or 5.0) based upon my weight requirements... and also having some extra wiggle room if I need to tow something heavier down the line.
Looking for a good combo of weight handling and fuel economy.
Looking for a good combo of weight handling and fuel economy.
Threads on this and other towing forums indicate there is very little difference in MPG with the 3.73 ratio than with my 3.15 ratio. That's probably because the tranny doesn't downshift as often and the twin turbos don't kick in as soon with the shorter legs. My 3.15 ratio works just fine, but so would a 3.32, 3.55 or 3.73. So be concerned with other options of the F-150 and don't worry about the axle ratio. For example, you want the max tow pkg, which requires the 3.5L EcoBoost engine and gives you the bigger gas tank and includes the 3.55 electronic-locking axle rear axle and other goodies.
Don't be misled by the advertised MPG of the 3.5L EcoBoost engine. You can achieve 20 MPG only if you poke along without using the turbochargers. My normal unloaded MPG is about 15 to 16 with mostly-highway cruising at 79 MPH on regular gas. Towing my 5k TT across the Plains at 65 MPH, I get about 10 MPG on premium gas. Hills, passes and strong headwinds reduce that to about 9 MPG. I would expect the 10-speed to get a bit better towing MPG because when it downshifts from 10th to 9th, the final drive ratio is still an overdrive ratio with long legs. When the 6-speed downshifts from 6th to 5th, that's direct drive with much shorter legs than when in overdrive.
I plan to order a new 2019 F-150 this fall, as soon as the order guide is available to the dealers. I will include the max tow package, and maybe the heavy duty payload pkg (HDPP) which includes the 3.73 axle ratio.
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Joe Friday (06-02-2018)
#12
Senior Member
I have the 3.5 Eco and 3.55 ratio (max tow), but that's because I tow 25-30% of my annual mileage and my trailer weighs 8000lbs.
If I were in your situation, I wouldn't pay for the premium 3.5 Eco, since you won't be taxing your drivetrain.
Take the money you save and spend it on the little bit of extra fuel the V8 uses on day to day driving.
If you do opt for the 3.5 Eco, you will recoup a bit of the premium you pay for the engine when you trade it in, unless you keep your truck for longer than 6 or so years.
If I were in your situation, I wouldn't pay for the premium 3.5 Eco, since you won't be taxing your drivetrain.
Take the money you save and spend it on the little bit of extra fuel the V8 uses on day to day driving.
If you do opt for the 3.5 Eco, you will recoup a bit of the premium you pay for the engine when you trade it in, unless you keep your truck for longer than 6 or so years.
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Joe Friday (06-02-2018)
#13
I believe when you order an HDPP with the 3.5 it does come with the 3.73 gears and I think that is due to the axle itself only coming with that gear ratio. It is a bit confusing looking at the order guide as the HDPP with the EB requires the Max Tow package.
#15
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Can anyone tell me what the towing capacity is for the 5.0 V8 and the 3.5 EcoBoost with 3.31 and 3.55 gear options?
#16
Grumpy Old Man
No, you have been misinformed. 3.73 E-Locker rear axle is part of the 2018 heavy duty payload pkg (HDPP). For 2018 models, HDPP is available with the 5.0L engine that has the 53A regular tow package, or with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine that has the 53C max tow pkg.
#17
Grumpy Old Man
With the 3.5L EcoBoost engine and 3.31 axle, 10,400 to 10,800. With 3.55 axle, tow rating varies from 10,700 to 13,200 depending on the above factors plus with or without the max tow pkg..
GCWR and tow ratings for 2018 models are included in the 2018 RV and Trailer Towing Guide. Or for the upcoming 2019 models in the 2019 RV and Trailer Towing Guide. The ~40-page PDF files are available for download from https://www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/
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HangDiver (06-02-2018)
#18
Senior Member
Thread Starter
For what its worth I tow a travel trailer that weighs a little over 4,000lbs when I'm loaded up with water and gear. I bought a used 2015 F-150 with the 5.0L 4x4 with the 3.55 locking rear axle. Of course its a 6-speed and not the 10-speed, so not exactly apples-to-apples. But even in tow/haul mode pulling my camper it shifts into 6th gear while on the flats. Tranny temps in the upper 190s to low 200s F. I would guess that if most of your towing is on flat terrain either engine will serve you well. If towing at higher altitudes the 3.5 Eco would be the better choice.
Good luck in your purchase..
Good luck in your purchase..
As many have said, I dont think you will have a problem with either choice. We just bought a 2015 /w the 3.5 and 3:55 rear end. Towed a 7000lb boat up a boat ramp and around the rolling hills of Kentucky, EcoBoost didn't break a sweat. We don't tow a lot, I am seeing about 18-19mpg unloaded.
#19
I have a 2018 SCREW 157WB HDPP with the 3.73 gears and the 3.5EB and 10-speed. I have almost 10,000 miles on it and am averaging 18.0 MPG (on the computer) so far since I bought it. That's mostly country driving with some highway, some towing and some city as well. I'm often over 20+ MPG on tanks that don't include towing and have a few hour long trips to soccer games. So MPG doesn't "suck". And my truck sits at 5,700 empty with the topper and bed mats - so not a light weight by aluminum F150 standards.
Regarding being "way out of it's power band". This is absurd. It's an absolute rocket with these gears and responsive at any speed!
Like whatever gear you want, but don't let your bias get in the way of providing factual information.