Refining my selection of a truck for towing
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then we’ll know.
I still think you’ll want the 157” WB. I know mine is going that way or else back to a 3/4t which I don’t want to go to.
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Both are F150 3.5L Eco-Boost 4x4 4dr SuperCrew 5.5 ft. SB, but what's the difference relative to towing? And are vented disc brakes and ventilated brakes the same?
Truck A 2017 XLT 79,783 mi. $30,900: Abs - 4-Wheel; Axle Ratio - 3.73; Front and Rear Brake - Ventilated Disc w/4-Wheel ABS;
Truck B 2018 Lariat 139,005 mi. $28,900: Abs - 4-Wheel; Axle Ratio - 3.55; 4-Wheel Disc Brakes w/4-Wheel ABS, Front And Rear Vented Discs
TIA
Truck A 2017 XLT 79,783 mi. $30,900: Abs - 4-Wheel; Axle Ratio - 3.73; Front and Rear Brake - Ventilated Disc w/4-Wheel ABS;
Truck B 2018 Lariat 139,005 mi. $28,900: Abs - 4-Wheel; Axle Ratio - 3.55; 4-Wheel Disc Brakes w/4-Wheel ABS, Front And Rear Vented Discs
TIA
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4x4wagon (08-12-2022)
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Mass-hole and Spencer brings up good points.
Request a picture of the stickers on the driver door jamb. Look up the axle code yourself.
If possible, get the VIN and see if you can search for a window sticker (Google search has sticker results) to find out what tow package it has. That is a lot of homework for a vehicle you don't own, may not be possible to obtain some of the answers.
You seem to have one shot to get it right so do what you can to make sure you know what you are getting into. Sales people are like internet forum people -they all think that all F150's can tow 11,000lbs no problem when there probably aren't more than 50 on the road that carry what is advertised.
Request a picture of the stickers on the driver door jamb. Look up the axle code yourself.
If possible, get the VIN and see if you can search for a window sticker (Google search has sticker results) to find out what tow package it has. That is a lot of homework for a vehicle you don't own, may not be possible to obtain some of the answers.
You seem to have one shot to get it right so do what you can to make sure you know what you are getting into. Sales people are like internet forum people -they all think that all F150's can tow 11,000lbs no problem when there probably aren't more than 50 on the road that carry what is advertised.
Also got the sticker from Carfax. Among other things, it states, "equipment group 302A, max trailer tow package, integrated trailer brake controller, mirror dual power glass, FX4 off road package, skid plates, auto start/stop, 36 gallon fuel tank."
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Thanks for the info and replies. I got pictures of the stickers off the door pillar. Truck Max Payload 1,770 lbs, GVWR 7,000 lbs, GCVR 12,200 lbs; Trailer Dry Weight 4,282 lbs., Payload Capacity 2,218 lbs., GVWR 6,500 lbs.
Also got the sticker from Carfax. Among other things, it states, "equipment group 302A, max trailer tow package, integrated trailer brake controller, mirror dual power glass, FX4 off road package, skid plates, auto start/stop, 36 gallon fuel tank."
Also got the sticker from Carfax. Among other things, it states, "equipment group 302A, max trailer tow package, integrated trailer brake controller, mirror dual power glass, FX4 off road package, skid plates, auto start/stop, 36 gallon fuel tank."
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Seems like a decent truck for 6500lbs. I would put tow mirrors on it and Bilstein 4600 rear shocks. Good WD hitch is needed.
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All 13th and 14th gen trucks come with ventilated disk brakes front and rear. Ventilated means the rotors have vanes between the braking surfaces that help remove heat. Used to be a talking point back in the day when all rotors were solid. Now-a-days you typically only see solid rotors on the rear brakes of sedans that have a high front to rear weight ratio, where the rear brakes have little work to perform. Ventilated brakes are used because they permit use of a smaller and lighter rotor. Solid rotors tend to get used where the braking requirements dictate a pretty small rotor without the use of ventilation.
Slots or holes are not what is being referred to when the terms 'ventilated brakes' or 'ventilated disk' is used.
The four types of rotors are below. Most are radial vane. Curved vane are side specific.... they flow more air and pressurize it (denser air absorbs more heat) when spinning with the outer point of the vane lagging behind the inner point. They flow worse than radial vane if you install them on the wrong side. Finally, current pillar vane designs are more resistant to cracking and they improve air mixing, but so far have only made inroads to the trucking industry and some very high end vehicles.
Brembo's page on pillar vane rotors
Slots or holes are not what is being referred to when the terms 'ventilated brakes' or 'ventilated disk' is used.
The four types of rotors are below. Most are radial vane. Curved vane are side specific.... they flow more air and pressurize it (denser air absorbs more heat) when spinning with the outer point of the vane lagging behind the inner point. They flow worse than radial vane if you install them on the wrong side. Finally, current pillar vane designs are more resistant to cracking and they improve air mixing, but so far have only made inroads to the trucking industry and some very high end vehicles.
Brembo's page on pillar vane rotors
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I vote the XLT, and you can add upgrades as you like. I got a set of leather seats from Leatherseats.com which are 100% leather for $1400+500 to install them; a lot of folks like Katzkin which are cheaper and basically factory leather/vinyl, while I could've spent $400 more and gotten premium 100% leather, and could've added vented/cooled seats for $350/seat. A company in Dallas will leather wrap your steering wheel for $300, and you can find the thread here on replacing the steering wheel with the heated Lariat wheel (it looked like with new parts, that was $700 or so and pretty easy DIY). I've almost finished re-doing my audio and had full Dynamat installed in my cab....the bottom line is that you can upgrade a high trim XLT to be a luxury vehicle which exceeds a top trim truck in many respects.
For brakes, ditch the factory stuff. Get a set of EBC slotted/dimpled rotors and upgraded pads (but remember that better hot stopping power often translates into worse cold performance and faster wear). If they actually ship them, I'll use Yellowstuff, but Greenstuff is more common for trucks (I'm using more aggressive pads because pad wear on a hybrid is 30-50% as fast as on a regular vehicle, so the cost difference vanishes).
For brakes, ditch the factory stuff. Get a set of EBC slotted/dimpled rotors and upgraded pads (but remember that better hot stopping power often translates into worse cold performance and faster wear). If they actually ship them, I'll use Yellowstuff, but Greenstuff is more common for trucks (I'm using more aggressive pads because pad wear on a hybrid is 30-50% as fast as on a regular vehicle, so the cost difference vanishes).
Last edited by amschind; 08-15-2022 at 03:42 PM.