SeamusHarper1963

Jeff1024

You will be over GVWR. Ford didnt pull this number out of thin air, their engineering team designed the truck around the GVWR, things like suspension brakes powertrian were all spec'ed to be able to handle the rated payload of the truck. No one can really tell you what will happen if you go over, I do think most will agree that the overall towing experience will suffer.

Post your numbers and perhaps we can see if its possible to get you under your ratings?

MnFord79

I am not a new truck owner but I am a new travel trailer owner. There is a lot more to finding your towing numbers than just the yellow sticker, check out this site for more information it has a really good calc you can fill out to "GVWR and Payload Calc" http://www.keepyourdaydream.com/payload/.

We just purchased a SportTrek 327VIK. We are doing a permanent seasonal site so wont be hauling the TT around the country or hauling it loaded. It has dry weight of 8100#, hitch weight of 850# and GVWR of 9600#. I just purchased a 2018 F150 XLT 3.5 EcoBoost Screw with the towing package 3.55 gears. 5200# curb weight, GVWR 7000, GCWR 17,900, Payload 1742 and towing capacity of 12700. My payload when we pick up the TT will be 700# (this is generous) and that will leave me with 192# of available payload. https://www.ford.com/services/assets...-150&year=2018

Well hope this helped and if I am completely missing something maybe someone can fill me in.

Jeff1024

That is a lot of trailer for an F150 - also not sure how you are getting to the 192lbs of payload after everything is ready to go. Lets start /w that 850 hitch weight, did you actually put the TT on the scale to get that, seems light if the empty TT is 8100. As a general rule you want 13% on the hitch so you would be closer to 8100 * .13 = 1050 on the hitch plus the WDH at 100lbs puts you at 1150. And thats an empty TT. 1742 - 1150 leaves you 592 of payload.

MnFord79

Yeah if I were traveling all over the country with it I probably would have got a bigger truck but we are driving less than 200 miles to our seasonal site so it wont be loaded. The hitch weight came right from the manufacturers website https://www.venture-rv.com/products/...fications.html (327 VIK) my numbers were off a bit its 7750 unloaded. The 700 included the WDH I weigh 225 the wife I am guessing as im not going to ask her weighs 120 for a total of 445. The 700 was a very generous number like I said.

I do plan on stopping at the local CAT Scale one we pick it up to verify all the numbers (its across the street from the RV dealer).

thrifty biil

Why not have the RV dealer weigh it BEFORE you buy? Its right across the street.

Dry weights are fantasy land, right up there with the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and more. Many manufacturers don't even include the weight of batteries in the dry weight. Options aren't included either. A friend of mine just bought a trailer, options included: spare tire, Air Conditioner, Awning, oven, and more.

Hitch weight is also dreamland. Figure 13% of what the trailer actually weighs, not the dry weight.

MnFord79

I just signed up today but have been reading these forums for awhile I know there is a lot of discussion on what the new F150 3.5 max tow can and cannot pull. I appreciate the input and will reach out to the dealer to get the exact hitch weight. Even if the "dry weight" goes up to 8100 with options and a hitch weight of 13% as mentioned above I still have ~200# to spare. Again this is being driven to a season site less than 200 miles away, it will be empty but will take your advice and get the numbers of the trailer. Thanks!

bikendan

you made the #1 Newbie mistake: listening to the RV dealer and the Ford dealer!
Most know nothing about towing and what's needed. they just want to sell you something.

you need to post more info on your truck and trailer:
Truck- year/cab size/bed size/payload capacity/4x4 or 4x2
Trailer- year/make/model

chimmike

I'm trying to figure out your payload. I have a SCREW STX (XL) 3.5 ecoboost 4x4 and my payload is 1942lbs.
If I figure high end tongue weight on 7700lbs loaded a hitch weight at 15% is 1,155. Add another 100 for hitch and I'm at 1,255lbs.
That still leaves me almost 700lbs for myself, my wife, kid, and generic tools I have in the truck...so top end of the human population in the truck is 450lbs....that leaves 250lbs still.

What's your payload sticker on your door? I'd have to figure you're ~1850-1900lbs payload?

jeff7176

I had the "how much can I tow" question taking up too much space in my head and had many experts provide many different answers based on their experience. I tow usually every weekend, between 200 and 600 miles. I figured I'd just get my own answer so I loaded up and went the CAT scale.

2018 Supercrew, 5.0, 3.73, 1,706 payload (sticker), 145 in wheelbase
Front GAWR: 3,450 (47.5% of total combined GAWR, which is 256 lbs over GVWR)
Rear GAWR: 3,860 (52.4% of total combined GAWR)
GVWR: 7,000
GCVWR: 16,200 lbs
Tow Capacity: 10,900 lbs

TT: 25ft Airstream International (5,817 dry weight, 7,300 GVWR, 3,600lbs GAWR x2)
Fastway e2 WDH

Fully loaded trip (all possible gear, generator (in back of truck), 2 bikes, wife, dog, gas, fresh water tank topped up, extra propane for generator, etc.)...which is more than we would normally carry but did this one for a true full load test.

CAT scale actual weights (outbound):
Front axle weight: 3,320 lbs (48% of total axle weight)
Rear axle weight: 3,580 lbs (51.8 % of total axle weight)
Total truck weight: 6,900

TT weight: 5,600 lbs (2,800 lbs per axle)
Combined weight: 12,500lbs

CAT scale actual weights (inbound):
Front axle weight: 3,260 lbs (47.2% of total axle weight)
Rear axle weight: 3,640 lbs (52.7 % of total axle weight)
Total truck weight: 6,900

TT weight: 5,580 lbs (2,790 lbs per axle)
Combined weight: 12,480lbs

Everything within specs made me happy. Still need to weigh everything dry just to know what is really true, but the full load weights are peace of mind that I'm clearly in the window.

I also have not weighed without the WDH, but suspect that could push the rear axle very close to, if not over it's limit. But beyond that, the added sway stability is excellent.