need to tow a 6000-6500 camper
06-26-2016, 09:36 AM
#11
Grumpy Old Man
The OP wants to tow a TT that grosses up to 6,500 pounds with a USED F-150. That doesn't include the aluminum-body '15 and '16 F-150 which has more payload, but are not very used yet. And it doesn't include the older F-150s with the heavy duty payload package (HDPP) because they are so rare they are difficult to find used. So is anyone towing a 6,500 pound TT with an '11 thru '14 F-150 without HDPP, and the CAT scale says you don't exceed the GVWR of the tow vehicle when wet and loaded on an RV trip?
06-27-2016, 07:58 AM
#13
Senior Member
The OP wants to tow a TT that grosses up to 6,500 pounds with a USED F-150. That doesn't include the aluminum-body '15 and '16 F-150 which has more payload, but are not very used yet. And it doesn't include the older F-150s with the heavy duty payload package (HDPP) because they are so rare they are difficult to find used. So is anyone towing a 6,500 pound TT with an '11 thru '14 F-150 without HDPP, and the CAT scale says you don't exceed the GVWR of the tow vehicle when wet and loaded on an RV trip?
06-28-2016, 11:53 PM
#14
Opinionated Blowhard
Hi, new to this site and need some advice. We have a Jayco TT about 27' long, dry weight 5455lbs... 6000-6500lbs once loaded. Looking to buy a used F150 but I'm finding a small selection in my area. I believe we need a 3.73 because most of our camping will be in the mountains (CO). Any advice past that? tow package vs max tow package...?
Do make sure you find a truck with the integrated brake controller. It's a must have.
06-30-2016, 04:45 PM
#15
Member
The OP wants to tow a TT that grosses up to 6,500 pounds with a USED F-150. That doesn't include the aluminum-body '15 and '16 F-150 which has more payload, but are not very used yet. And it doesn't include the older F-150s with the heavy duty payload package (HDPP) because they are so rare they are difficult to find used. So is anyone towing a 6,500 pound TT with an '11 thru '14 F-150 without HDPP, and the CAT scale says you don't exceed the GVWR of the tow vehicle when wet and loaded on an RV trip?
I tow with a 2010 5.4 with Max Tow Package with a 28 ft Jayco trailer at 8000lbs loaded for camping. I do not tow with our 84 gallon fresh water tanks full and I load very little in the box of the truck to remain within specs of my 1684lb yellow sticker payload and scales. I recognize that I am approaching upper limits of the truck and installed airbags and LT Load Range E tires which give me a rock solid tow experience over the last 3 seasons with this TV/TT combo.
The Maxtow Packaged trucks are a little easier to find than the HDPP trucks and worth looking for because of the included towing equipment (integrated brake controller and extra trans cooler) and approximately 25% payload and tow rating increase. The 5.4 pulls great for my purposes, but if I was pulling a lot at altitude I would definitely take a look at the Eco's. I would look at 2009 or newer to get the 6 speed transmission which really helps with towing IMHO.
06-30-2016, 07:53 PM
#16
Fine for pulling the weight of the trailer, but not for hauling the hitch weight of a 6,500-pound TT along with the normal weight of family and stuff in the F-150.
Max trailer tow pkg was not available with the 5.0L engine for the 2011 thru 2015 models. And without at least the max tow pkg with its extra GVWR, he's probably going to be overloaded over the payload capacity of his F-150.
Max trailer tow pkg was not available with the 5.0L engine for the 2011 thru 2015 models. And without at least the max tow pkg with its extra GVWR, he's probably going to be overloaded over the payload capacity of his F-150.
A 5.0L with the 3.73 pulls great and the 5.0L in the 2011 - 2014 had a higher payload than the Ecoboost. 5.0L had a 7350# GVWR and Ecoboost only had a 7200# GVWR.
My loaded '12 XLT Screw 4WD 5.0L w/3.73 had a payload of 1582 lbs. That was enough payload with a lot to spare, for our family of 4, bed cover/liner and 13% hitch weight (average hitch weight of a TT) where about 20% of that also gets distributed back to the TT axle through the weight distribution hitch.
My trailer is 6500 lbs to 7000 lbs and is a lighter trailer that can be pulled by 1/2 trucks.
My old 2012 5.0L w/3.73 with the Jay Flight 26BH
New 2016 5.0L w/3.73 with the Jay Flight 26BH
With the new truck and its much higher ratings, I can max out the hitch weight rating and still be under payload rating with a loaded 8500 lbs trailer.
Last edited by Mike Up; 06-30-2016 at 08:15 PM.
07-01-2016, 08:25 AM
#17
Senior Member
07-01-2016, 10:01 AM
#19
Grumpy Old Man
Yeah, SixShooter14 nailed it.
Payload capacity = GVWR of the tow vehicle minus the weight of the tow vehicle.
The payload capacity on the yellow sticker in the door frame of Fords is the maximum payload capacity of an empty pickup. GVWR of the pickup minus the shipping weight of the new pickup with no driver or passengers or anything except a full tank of gas.
Nobody drives an empty pickup, so you need to weigh your wet and loaded pickup with driver and passengers and tools and hitch and aftermarket options and anything else that is in the pickup when towing. Then subtract that wet and loaded weight from the GVWR of the pickup to determine how much payload capacity you have left for other things, such as hitch weight of a trailer.
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07-01-2016, 11:17 AM
#20
Yeah, SixShooter14 nailed it. Payload capacity = GVWR of the tow vehicle minus the weight of the tow vehicle. The payload capacity on the yellow sticker in the door frame of Fords is the maximum payload capacity of an empty pickup. GVWR of the pickup minus the shipping weight of the new pickup with no driver or passengers or anything except a full tank of gas. Nobody drives an empty pickup, so you need to weigh your wet and loaded pickup with driver and passengers and tools and hitch and aftermarket options and anything else that is in the pickup when towing. Then subtract that wet and loaded weight from the GVWR of the pickup to determine how much payload capacity you have left for other things, such as hitch weight of a trailer.