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Old 05-19-2017, 12:35 PM   #4491
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Watch the video, in the video with their test, the exact opposite is true.
I've actually watched that video previously and watched it again just now. I believe what they are saying to be true and that's why I'm using my WDH and have spent a LOT of time trying to get it setup correctly.

The issue I have is that according to the measurements, when loaded - my hitch is setup correctly. The front end is coming back down to almost where it was. It only comes up 1/2" when hitched and after putting the bars on, it's coming up just less than 1/4". But my rear is dropping 3/4" with the WDH setup. So I'm +1/4" in the front and -3/4" in the rear...I've aimed my headlights down already, but I'd still like to maintain some rake when hooked up ideally. At least level. The truck LOOKS nose high even though it's just up 1/4".

That being said, the issue I have is that I don't have enough rake to begin with to compensate for the weight of my trailer (~600 lb tongue). It's not too much for my truck and it's only a 23' trailer, not like the 30 footers some of y'all are towing.

I'm using the airbags for additional ride support to firm up the rear end and ideally, bring the REAR up a touch to level out the truck better when towing.

I just don't want to reduce the effect of the WDH by adding air to the bags after it has been setup. I don't think that anything I will put me into an overload situation however, so I'll probably just see how it feels with a little bit of air in the bags.

I just don't think that there is much data out there on running BOTH air bags and a WDH.

Thanks for the discussion guys

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Old 05-19-2017, 03:07 PM   #4492
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So if I understand your dilemma correctly, your more worried about the looks of your truck than functionality? Bags do nothing other than level the truck period dot! Setup your WDH correctly according to your manual then add air to the bags to level it.
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I've actually watched that video previously and watched it again just now. I believe what they are saying to be true and that's why I'm using my WDH and have spent a LOT of time trying to get it setup correctly.

The issue I have is that according to the measurements, when loaded - my hitch is setup correctly. The front end is coming back down to almost where it was. It only comes up 1/2" when hitched and after putting the bars on, it's coming up just less than 1/4". But my rear is dropping 3/4" with the WDH setup. So I'm +1/4" in the front and -3/4" in the rear...I've aimed my headlights down already, but I'd still like to maintain some rake when hooked up ideally. At least level. The truck LOOKS nose high even though it's just up 1/4".

That being said, the issue I have is that I don't have enough rake to begin with to compensate for the weight of my trailer (~600 lb tongue). It's not too much for my truck and it's only a 23' trailer, not like the 30 footers some of y'all are towing.

I'm using the airbags for additional ride support to firm up the rear end and ideally, bring the REAR up a touch to level out the truck better when towing.

I just don't want to reduce the effect of the WDH by adding air to the bags after it has been setup. I don't think that anything I will put me into an overload situation however, so I'll probably just see how it feels with a little bit of air in the bags.

I just don't think that there is much data out there on running BOTH air bags and a WDH.

Thanks for the discussion guys
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So if I understand your dilemma correctly, your more worried about the looks of your truck than functionality? Bags do nothing other than level the truck period dot! Setup your WDH correctly according to your manual then add air to the bags to level it.
I read that he is more concerned with proper set up with WDH and air bags, not so much looks.

Put in 40 PSI, then hook up your WDH, see how it feels and adjust from there.

Do not however, put air in bags before setting your WDH. This will effectively reduce the amount of weight that is being distributed to the front.
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So if I understand your dilemma correctly, your more worried about the looks of your truck than functionality? Bags do nothing other than level the truck period dot! Setup your WDH correctly according to your manual then add air to the bags to level it.
NOPE! Don't do it! If you set up your WDH then add air raising the rear you WILL remove pressure from your spring bars which will reduce the effect of your WDH. Which will reduce the weight you distributed to the front axle, and this could create a dangerous condition.

Think about it, how do you reduce the pressure on your spring bars while attaching/disconnecting them? You raise the rear of the truck with the tongue jack changing the angle of the WDH. Effectively the same thing you would do with air bags if you inflate them after proper WDH setup.
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NOPE! Don't do it! If you set up your WDH then add air raising the rear you WILL remove pressure from your spring bars which will reduce the effect of your WDH. Which will reduce the weight you distributed to the front axle, and this could create a dangerous condition.

Think about it, how do you reduce the pressure on your spring bars while attaching/disconnecting them? You raise the rear of the truck with the tongue jack changing the angle of the WDH. Effectively the same thing you would do with air bags if you inflate them after proper WDH setup.
Please do research and educate yourself and understand what your talking about!
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NOPE! Don't do it! If you set up your WDH then add air raising the rear you WILL remove pressure from your spring bars which will reduce the effect of your WDH. Which will reduce the weight you distributed to the front axle, and this could create a dangerous condition.

Think about it, how do you reduce the pressure on your spring bars while attaching/disconnecting them? You raise the rear of the truck with the tongue jack changing the angle of the WDH. Effectively the same thing you would do with air bags if you inflate them after proper WDH setup.
I don't have anything in this so I'm watching this thread to learn myself. If the air bags do all you say they do then why not just use air bags to move weight and level the truck? Why use a wdh then?

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Please do research and educate yourself and understand what your talking about!
Great advice...you should try it
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Did you even watch the video I posted on the previous page, I guess not!
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I don't have anything in this so I'm watching this thread to learn myself. If the air bags do all you say they do then why not just use air bags to move weight and level the truck? Why used a wdh then?
If you just use air bags and you add massive amount of weight to your hitch you will remove weight from your front axles which are 70 percent of your stopping power when breaking, and rather important for steering. You also lower the hitch tow rating while towing without a WDH. If your towing a trailer with a weight that is within the non WHD rating of your hitch then you should have no real issues as it's likely not enough tongue weight to reduce braking/steering too much.
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Did you even watch the video I posted on the previous page, I guess not!
I did, great video!

However they never set up the WDH first and then added air to the bags. They only compare the two, showing the importance of WDH.

I have seen the results first hand, my nephew uses both air bags and a WDH. The first time he used them together he did exactly that, set up the WDH first then added air to the bags to level his truck to near the original height. The spring bars became so loose that you could cinch the chains with your hand without the use of the extension pipe.

He has since found a pressure for the air bags by trial and error that keeps the truck level while still putting weight back on the front axles.
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