I don't fear operating at GVWR, change my mind :)
06-12-2019, 07:43 AM
#31
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Updated original post with an interesting thought. With three additional adults (600 lbs) in my cab, I would like exceed my FAWR. Does that mean its unsafe to drive my F150 with four male adults in the cab? Of course I'm asking this a bit tongue in cheek because experience would tell us that four adults in the cab of an F150 is perfectly fine.
06-12-2019, 08:29 AM
#32
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Updated original post with an interesting thought. With three additional adults (600 lbs) in my cab, I would like exceed my FAWR. Does that mean its unsafe to drive my F150 with four male adults in the cab? Of course I'm asking this a bit tongue in cheek because experience would tell us that four adults in the cab of an F150 is perfectly fine.
1. driver alone
2. driver + 200-pound-sih passenger shotgun
3. driver + 200-pound-ish passenger up front plus two 200-pound-ish passengers in the back
Or heck, use 250-pound passengers. The goal would just be to see where the weight gets distributed; my guess is that even though the rear axle is well behind the cab, enough goes rearward to avoid overload the front axle, but that's mostly a guess.
06-12-2019, 10:34 AM
#33
It would be interesting to roll it across the scale three times:
1. driver alone
2. driver + 200-pound-sih passenger shotgun
3. driver + 200-pound-ish passenger up front plus two 200-pound-ish passengers in the back
Or heck, use 250-pound passengers. The goal would just be to see where the weight gets distributed; my guess is that even though the rear axle is well behind the cab, enough goes rearward to avoid overload the front axle, but that's mostly a guess.
1. driver alone
2. driver + 200-pound-sih passenger shotgun
3. driver + 200-pound-ish passenger up front plus two 200-pound-ish passengers in the back
Or heck, use 250-pound passengers. The goal would just be to see where the weight gets distributed; my guess is that even though the rear axle is well behind the cab, enough goes rearward to avoid overload the front axle, but that's mostly a guess.
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kehyler (06-12-2019)
06-12-2019, 11:40 AM
#34
No, thats not what I was saying. All F150 drivetrains and suspensions are the same from the XL up to the Limited, what I was saying is that MARKETING focuses their higher trims on the average consumer who wants a fancy grocery getter, and the XL and XLT is marketed more towards the contractor or construction worker as work trucks for those who have no need for a superduty. You don't need a medium duty truck to haul around a few ladders and a tool box, and that is how Ford markets their truck lines. Ever wonder why the XLT gets the best discounts? It's the trim line most contractors would buy. The XL is perfect for those who work dirty jobs and would track muck and whatever else they work in into the truck, the XLT is more for those who use the truck for work, but don't have to worry too much about getting it full of mud and other filth.
06-12-2019, 08:10 PM
#35
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06-13-2019, 09:18 AM
#36
I tow upwards of 9,500lbs with my 2018 HDPP, and I have no problems calling up all 470ft/lbs of torque at leisure stressing the entire drive train, but I feel that more frequent oil change using 100% Mobile 1 synthetic, premature transmission change and rear differential, and other driveline fluid changes should mitigate or prevent premature wear and failure.
If anything breaks or wear out because of towing heavy, it is because it's a Ford, and I never had high reliability expectations from any Ford products, and if Toyota or Hyundai made a truck as capable as the HDPP, I would have never looked Ford's way... I consider Ford the most reliable of the Big Three.
I don't consider Ford as a reliable brand, and i consider reliability begins at 125,000 plus miles with minimal unexpected repairs...maybe $300 bucks.
If anything goes wrong before its time, it's not my heavy towing, it's because it's a Ford.
If anything breaks or wear out because of towing heavy, it is because it's a Ford, and I never had high reliability expectations from any Ford products, and if Toyota or Hyundai made a truck as capable as the HDPP, I would have never looked Ford's way... I consider Ford the most reliable of the Big Three.
I don't consider Ford as a reliable brand, and i consider reliability begins at 125,000 plus miles with minimal unexpected repairs...maybe $300 bucks.
If anything goes wrong before its time, it's not my heavy towing, it's because it's a Ford.
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waltheraustin (06-16-2019)
06-13-2019, 03:42 PM
#37
I offset driveline stress on my upscale highly optioned lariat by having a lighter wallet. By my math it's a wash.
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Tom_with_a_Truck (06-16-2019)
06-14-2019, 12:50 AM
#39
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Anyone know what the "FX4" stickers weigh on a Superduty? I took mine off and figured the weight savings increased my payload by a solid 4-5oz. 
06-14-2019, 02:26 AM
#40
I tow upwards of 9,500lbs with my 2018 HDPP, and I have no problems calling up all 470ft/lbs of torque at leisure stressing the entire drive train, but I feel that more frequent oil change using 100% Mobile 1 synthetic, premature transmission change and rear differential, and other driveline fluid changes should mitigate or prevent premature wear and failure.
If anything breaks or wear out because of towing heavy, it is because it's a Ford, and I never had high reliability expectations from any Ford products, and if Toyota or Hyundai made a truck as capable as the HDPP, I would have never looked Ford's way... I consider Ford the most reliable of the Big Three.
I don't consider Ford as a reliable brand, and i consider reliability begins at 125,000 plus miles with minimal unexpected repairs...maybe $300 bucks.
If anything goes wrong before its time, it's not my heavy towing, it's because it's a Ford.
If anything breaks or wear out because of towing heavy, it is because it's a Ford, and I never had high reliability expectations from any Ford products, and if Toyota or Hyundai made a truck as capable as the HDPP, I would have never looked Ford's way... I consider Ford the most reliable of the Big Three.
I don't consider Ford as a reliable brand, and i consider reliability begins at 125,000 plus miles with minimal unexpected repairs...maybe $300 bucks.
If anything goes wrong before its time, it's not my heavy towing, it's because it's a Ford.
If you dont trust Ford go by a Nissan or Toyota. I have driven multiple Ford trucks and vans well beyond 125k miles towing heavy loads with little other than normal maintenance done. I have seen some abused beyond reason go the same mileage with surprisingly little issue as well.
I had a 1995 conversion van with a 7k GWWR that weighed 6500 empty. So it was literally overloaded every time we put passengers in it, let alone the trailers behind it. It was a 302 4spd auto. The transmission(470RW not notoriously robust) went at 135k, but once rebuilt the van was still running at 265k with no oil use or issues. It was still on it's original water pump, radiator, and all other accessories. We replaced both axle shafts at 200k, but I would consider that normal maintenance by that point. Not bad for a vehicle running at max GVWR literally its whole life.
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