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Ricktwuhk 10-23-2018 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by dukedkt442 (Post 5958270)
Thanks for some of the actual data. Sure I could visit a scale, but then I wouldn't have bothered asking, nor am I going to bother getting to a scale at some point in a 200 mile trip. I know for a fact I've more than maxed out the trailer as its framing is bending slightly. I've probably exceeded the truck's rating, but that's fine, it won't break. I've put more than 5000 miles in it with loads like this; I no longer have the camper shell on the bed, but when I did, I used to stack than deck to ceiling with split oak, every empty spot filled, then load the trailer and drive the 200 miles home. I used to haul well over 2000 lbs in my '84 S10, once with a 2500 lb trailer almost 500 miles, so this Ford can definitely handle what I'm putting it through, I was just curious to estimate how much I'm putting it through.

Bending the trailer frame, knowingly putting it and your truck over capacity. Hopefully you'll get caught by the authorities before you kill someone.

dukedkt442 10-23-2018 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Flamingtaco (Post 5958427)
It's not about whether or not the chassis can handle the load, it's about loading the chassis safely. All it takes is that person cutting you off on the highway, your excess weight causes a tire to blow while you are emergency braking/maneuvering, or your rear end slides out... you end up being at fault for all damage caused by your vehicle and load, and your insurer won't cover it because you were overloaded. If having your wages garnished for hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages is fine with you... no, no, just don't do it, I don't want my family maimed or killed by your ignorance.

No one has a 'squat chart', because that is no way to judge the load, and the result would be different between the three different bed lengths, the three different cabs, the three different payload packages, 2x4 Vs 4x4, and topper Vs trifold cover Vs landau cover Vs sliider Vs open bed. Aged suspension Vs new. Bilstein shocks Vs oem. 6" drawbar Vs 8".The list goes on...

Thanks for the advice; with a half million accident-free miles, I'm perfectly comfortable with what/how I haul. Even with that weight, it still stops better than a '60s/70s/80s truck with half the weight, I'm not worried. The way people are scared of weight today, one would think you need a 3/4 to haul a bass boat. Take it slow, drive defensively, and you can definitely beat the vehicle's rated capabilities; a lot of the reason payload and tow ratings have jumped up is due to stability control and other computer interventions, but capable driving can do the same. As mentioned in my first post, the truck is a crew cab short bed FX4, and I was simply looking for some numbers in order to get a rough idea; not for fear of the boogie man. A simple "I don't know" or "I'm scared of the dark" would have sufficed.

dukedkt442 10-23-2018 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk (Post 5958459)
Bending the trailer frame, knowingly putting it and your truck over capacity. Hopefully you'll get caught by the authorities before you kill someone.

Capacity is a guideline, not an absolute limit. It's fine. Seeing as how the truck is perfectly controllable, stops fine, and is stable, no one else is in any danger either. Relax.

Jeff1024 10-23-2018 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by dukedkt442 (Post 5958481)
Capacity is a guideline, not an absolute limit. It's fine. Seeing as how the truck is perfectly controllable, stops fine, and is stable, no one else is in any danger either. Relax.

Capacity is actually a limit. You may chose to ignore it, but by definition it's a limit not a guideline.

ca·pac·i·ty
noun
  1. 1.
    the maximum amount that something can contain.
    "the capacity of the freezer is 1.1 cubic feet"synonyms:volume, size, magnitude, dimensions, measurements, proportions
    "the capacity of the freezer"

Flamingtaco 10-24-2018 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by dukedkt442 (Post 5958472)
Thanks for the advice; with a half million accident-free miles, I'm perfectly comfortable with what/how I haul. Even with that weight, it still stops better than a '60s/70s/80s truck with half the weight, I'm not worried. The way people are scared of weight today, one would think you need a 3/4 to haul a bass boat. Take it slow, drive defensively, and you can definitely beat the vehicle's rated capabilities; a lot of the reason payload and tow ratings have jumped up is due to stability control and other computer interventions, but capable driving can do the same. As mentioned in my first post, the truck is a crew cab short bed FX4, and I was simply looking for some numbers in order to get a rough idea; not for fear of the boogie man. A simple "I don't know" or "I'm scared of the dark" would have sufficed.

You are confusing fear with responsibility. I've driven many of the military's craptastic large vehicles from the 60's, 70's and 80's, an overloaded 150 or 250 would be a dream come true by comparison. And yet, I don't. Having driven a lot more than 500,000 miles does not make it ok for me to ignore the limits. Slowing down does not excuse me from the payload or tow capacities. Neither does not yet having had an accident, feeling I know better than the engineers that set the payload and GCVW limits, or feeling I know better than other drivers.

I do know better than other drivers. Many of them, at least. Knowing better means I have a responsibility to know and work within the capabilities of the vehicle I'm driving at any given time, no matter what the situation may be, or how strongly I may feel about my ability to handle said vehicle.

We are driving the average largest vehicles on the road. We have a responsibility to every other driver out there, every family in their minivan, every college kid in their civic, every newborn in the backseat of their parent's Focus, to be as safe as we can be for them, and that starts with not exceeding vehicle capacity.

If you feel otherwise, you are free to consult your state police on the topic.

Stever39 10-24-2018 01:49 AM

You should get a Haul Guage. I saw this the other day. Plugs in to the truck and uses the torque converter to tell how much load in the bed or how heavy the trailer is. Pretty insane.

https://www.haulgauge.com/

StonedFX4 10-24-2018 06:18 AM

neg·li·gence
/ˈneɡləjəns/
noun
  1. failure to take proper care in doing something.
    "some of these accidents are due to negligence"
    • LAW
      failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another

Jeff1024 10-24-2018 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Stever39 (Post 5958722)
You should get a Haul Guage. I saw this the other day. Plugs in to the truck and uses the torque converter to tell how much load in the bed or how heavy the trailer is. Pretty insane.

https://www.haulgauge.com/

That is pretty insane - have you used it? Wonder how accurate it is.

schmenke 10-24-2018 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by dukedkt442 (Post 5958481)
Capacity is a guideline, not an absolute limit. ....

:huh:

That's like saying speed limits are guidelines.

Or the capacity of an elevator is a guideline.

Or the capacity of a fuel reservoir is a guideline.

Or the capacity of a bridge is a guideline...

Jeff1024 10-24-2018 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by schmenke (Post 5958923)
:huh:

That's like saying speed limits are guidelines.

Well lets not get all crazy. Speed Limits are guidelines...until you get caught


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