smokeywren

Your opinion. You won't find a professional engineer (PE) in vehicle chassis engineering that will agree with you.


What rationale would anyone use to conclude that an inaccurate GVWR would result In more truck sales?

Shaggy1970

Its ok that you don't agree with my documented assessment but ford charges a 1500 dollar premium disguised as your getting more capable truck when in reality your not. Its a sales tactic and I am not buying it, surely you see the marketing poly here or are you trying to justify why you paid extra for something you didn't receive?

smokeywren

I graduated with an MBA from a good graduate school of business, so I've been trained in marketing. And no, I don't see a marketing ploy using inaccurate weight ratings. I see all sorts of trouble for any manager that tries to get his PEs to certify an inaccurate weight rating of any kind.

Shaggy1970

Not sure what your education has to do to any of this, I am stating fact and I can draw it out for you if you like and its ok that you disagree but I am confident that my truck can pull and be loaded way over without the 7350 GVWR, at least to 8000+ so I am putting this information out there that guys aren't scared by Ford sales tactics and the weight/load police of the forums, to upgrade their trucks when its not necessary.

SKBORDERS

We have a truck that by standards of 2 decade ago would qualify as a 3/4 ton truck and we want to haul more with it.

/s Makes sense to me /s

Jason_Larsen

Boom! Truth

Velosprout

I agree with Smokey on this one. If a cereal manufacturer prints on the outside of a bran cereal box "Net Weight 18 oz" that is a statement of minimum net weight. Actual contents might actually be 18 1/4 ounces of product. I don't think that this means that the cereal manufacturer is pulling a "marketing ploy." They are just stating correct information. The truck manufacturer is likewise posting their engineering interpretation of the maximum safe useage capacities of the vehicle, based upon it's weakest points without causing subsantial increased risk and causing premature failure of the truck.
The truck may be able to safely do more than stated, and the cereal box may well contain more than the minimum stated contents. Neither is a marketing ploy. And, it doesn't mean a 2.7 EcoBoost should be used to tow 16,000 pounds with suspension mods or that the bran cereal box should be used to chock the wheels of your camper.

Shaggy1970

So enlighten me, given the hours of research provided; what is the limiting factor that reduces my GVWR than that of a MAX tow truck by 350 pounds given everything thing else being the exact same? I can answer that, its so they gouge you the customer out of additional hard earned money. Unless someone from ford comes on here and tells me different I am not buying it. I looked up every single part number and with the exception in the different letter in the "upgraded" tow hitch (which oh by the way without weight distribution is the exact same weight rating) there is no difference. You folks are smart people do some research before policing the forums to make your case.

Velosprout

Shagg, you may well be correct in your information for your 2013. I have no knowledge on the options that were available 3 to 4 years ago, and am not going to study them now as I can't (nor would want to) order a new 2013 F150. So, I don't doubt the explanation you have regarding a 2013 truck. I am choosing to make sure that the vehicle I use to transport my family and tow my boat or camper is within spec for axle loads, payload, towing capacity, and combined vehicle weight to the best of my ability. With the 2015 and 2016's, the max tow package doesn't add any payload, but the Heavy Duty Payload package (which requires the Max Tow package) puts an entire different frame under the truck that is 10% thicker in the construction, plus the 3.73 E-locking 9.75" gearset, LT275/65R18C Commercial-rated tires, upgraded springs and auxiliary transmission oil cooler, and the Heavy-Duty wheels (which are rated for more weight and not just painted silver). Does this cost? You bet...Max Tow sticker price is $1095 and $1695 for the HDPP. But, you can't get the frills with these options; no power running boards. skid plates, Sony stereo, technology package, 2-tone paint, moonroof, adaptive cruise control, power tailgate, massaging seats, etc. So, a 2016 (which is the only model year that I can currently place an order for), provides real value in increased capacity for the packages purchased. And, the truck with more capacity for towing and hauling will cost less than a Limited, Platinum, or Sport dolled up with frills. What's the marketing gimmick in that?

Shaggy1970

Sounds like Ford is actually cleaning up their act and your actually getting something extra for your money if those options are not included in other packages. I don't know about now vs three years ago but before they would include some options in different packages and the same item was already covered in a different package. Like Max Tow, supposed to have all the extra bennies like upgraded rad, trans cooler, select shift, etc, but those same items were also included in other packages that you had already paid for. To be honest I am not sure what goes into their sticker calibration but its bogus, there is no way the same exact truck can have different numbers given the same exact components. When you call Ford directly and ask the questions I have been asking and they are left scratching their heads, you know something is wrong.