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Topper, Bedrug, bed extender, 100# of tools, and my wife and I are not light weights. That plus the 100# for the hitch itself. Thats 900# hanging off the back. My 2014 with just me was 2800 on the rear with just a topper and bedrug, and it had a 26 gallon tank, the 16 has the 36 gallon tank. I'm guessing the rear axle on this one will be close to 2700 when I subtract 900# plus the tools and my wife from the equation.
The 2014 was perfectly setup with 3180 on the front and 4300 on the rear. I transferred 260 pounds fore and aft with that setup, and doing the same with the current set up. So with the exact same weight distribution between the two trucks, with the same wheel base, same wheels and tires, why such a big difference in handling? A real head scratcher.
Used this for weighing the tongue https://www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-...ue-weight.aspx
Going to get the truck weight when I head to the feed store.
It sounds to me like your pushing 15% + tongue weight, is this trailer a toyhauler? I assume this is a dual axle trailer so I'm wondering if the trailer CG is too far forward? The front axle supporting proportionally more weight causing it to pivot on that front axle. The rear suspension may not have enough lateral stiffness to keep oscillation down as speeds increase. Regardless you have this truck loaded to the max rating on the rear axle.
The more I look at this the more questions I have. I see weigh scale tickets with trailers at 8500lbs and 1000lb tongue weight with less rear axle weights with this truck.
1) The 2014 truck with 4300lbs on the rear axle was not over RAWR?
2) Did the 2014 have the HD payload package and Max tow options?
3) What is the make and model of the trailer you have?
4) Can you post pictures of the setup?
5) With this much axle weight known on the 2014, getting a truck that's rated for less RAWR doesn't compute. What was the payload rating on the 2014?
It was with the entire family in the truck. My wife and I, and my mom are not lightweights, Easily over 600# between the 3 of us, plus at least another 150# between the two kids. We travel in two vehicles now, my wife and mom in a car while I take the kids. That keeps it under GAWR.
Empty weight of the 2014 rear axle was 2800#, add in 750 for us, a generator, 5 gallons gas, toolbox, hitch and trailer weight, it easily comes to 1760# of payload.
The 14 had a 1470# payload, the 16 has a 1580# payload.
I don't know how you can figure 15% TW, when the TW is 800#, and the loaded trailer is 6200. Thats 13% TW.
I do need to get the empty weight of the truck for final comparison, they wouldn't let me unhitch to get it.
I do need to get the empty weight of the truck for final comparison, they wouldn't let me unhitch to get it.
Please plan to make three separate passes across the scales and park out of the way in between while working on the rig. It's not reasonable to expect to park on the scales while the WDH bars are removed and then the trailer is unhitched and re-hitched. Those truckers need to roll. Many get paid by the mile.
This is the info revealed when I made the three passes across the scales.
Alright I used that weight calculator, and TW is 13.5%. I had my wife with me when I scaled on Monday, but she wasn't with me today, so had to add her weight to todays weight reading, and everything works out. I split her weight 60/40 front to rear, might be off a bit, since the TW doesn't match what I scaled it at, if I move 40 pounds to the rear then it matches.
For the TW, I took gross multiplied by 15%, so if that's wrong I will need to adjust.
So now that we have this all cleared up, any thought as to why it moves erratically?
Ford manipulates the consumer by using base curb weight of an XL to calculate the tow ratings for each cab/wheel base configuration using SAE j2807 standard. If they used actual curb weight of each base trim level the ratings will be no where near as high as they are. I'm sure the other manufacturers do the same thing.
09-05-2017, 11:18 PM
