Do Boats Have Less Tongue Weight?
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Most boat trailers have a "pole" tongue, not an A-frame tongue that is on most RV, cargo, animal, and utility trailers. But the industry makes a "pole tongue adapter" that allows hooking up a WD hitch on a pole tongue. Like this one for an Equal-I-Zer hitch that will work with surge brakes on a boat trailer
https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories...5-01-5950.html
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Ricktwuhk (09-24-2020)
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This is full if misinformation.
First, there are threads describing weight distribution on boat trailers so you can search to get info. You can also search etrailer.com and hitch manufacturers equipment for WDHs. You will also find systems compatible with surge brakes.
Since a lot of boaters believe they are blessed with devine intervention eliminating the need to conform basic over the road vehicle specifications, those boaters dont demand WDH on large boat trailers. For the rest of us simply demand a compatible trailer and you will get it.
Truck hitches may or may not add additional tongue or maximum trailer weight limits. However, most limitations are established for the truck. For example, all F150s have 500# hitch and 5000#trailer limits which are limits of the TRUCK. No aftermarket hitch modifies those limits. Most trucks have similar type limits which, if exceeded, require a WDH. You have to understand the limits of each particular truck. Generally, after market hitches serve no purpose on a truck, and if a hitch is provisioned with a truck the hitch is adequate for the capacity limits of the truck.
Finally, surge brakes are commonly used on boat trailers, but some folks have electric actuated boat trailers brakes. Electric brakes are better but are more vulnerable to problems due to immersion in water.
First, there are threads describing weight distribution on boat trailers so you can search to get info. You can also search etrailer.com and hitch manufacturers equipment for WDHs. You will also find systems compatible with surge brakes.
Since a lot of boaters believe they are blessed with devine intervention eliminating the need to conform basic over the road vehicle specifications, those boaters dont demand WDH on large boat trailers. For the rest of us simply demand a compatible trailer and you will get it.
Truck hitches may or may not add additional tongue or maximum trailer weight limits. However, most limitations are established for the truck. For example, all F150s have 500# hitch and 5000#trailer limits which are limits of the TRUCK. No aftermarket hitch modifies those limits. Most trucks have similar type limits which, if exceeded, require a WDH. You have to understand the limits of each particular truck. Generally, after market hitches serve no purpose on a truck, and if a hitch is provisioned with a truck the hitch is adequate for the capacity limits of the truck.
Finally, surge brakes are commonly used on boat trailers, but some folks have electric actuated boat trailers brakes. Electric brakes are better but are more vulnerable to problems due to immersion in water.
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This is full if misinformation.
First, there are threads describing weight distribution on boat trailers so you can search to get info. You can also search etrailer.com and hitch manufacturers equipment for WDHs. You will also find systems compatible with surge brakes.
Since a lot of boaters believe they are blessed with devine intervention eliminating the need to conform basic over the road vehicle specifications, those boaters dont demand WDH on large boat trailers. For the rest of us simply demand a compatible trailer and you will get it.
Truck hitches may or may not add additional tongue or maximum trailer weight limits. However, most limitations are established for the truck. For example, all F150s have 500# hitch and 5000#trailer limits which are limits of the TRUCK. No aftermarket hitch modifies those limits. Most trucks have similar type limits which, if exceeded, require a WDH. You have to understand the limits of each particular truck. Generally, after market hitches serve no purpose on a truck, and if a hitch is provisioned with a truck the hitch is adequate for the capacity limits of the truck.
Finally, surge brakes are commonly used on boat trailers, but some folks have electric actuated boat trailers brakes. Electric brakes are better but are more vulnerable to problems due to immersion in water.
First, there are threads describing weight distribution on boat trailers so you can search to get info. You can also search etrailer.com and hitch manufacturers equipment for WDHs. You will also find systems compatible with surge brakes.
Since a lot of boaters believe they are blessed with devine intervention eliminating the need to conform basic over the road vehicle specifications, those boaters dont demand WDH on large boat trailers. For the rest of us simply demand a compatible trailer and you will get it.
Truck hitches may or may not add additional tongue or maximum trailer weight limits. However, most limitations are established for the truck. For example, all F150s have 500# hitch and 5000#trailer limits which are limits of the TRUCK. No aftermarket hitch modifies those limits. Most trucks have similar type limits which, if exceeded, require a WDH. You have to understand the limits of each particular truck. Generally, after market hitches serve no purpose on a truck, and if a hitch is provisioned with a truck the hitch is adequate for the capacity limits of the truck.
Finally, surge brakes are commonly used on boat trailers, but some folks have electric actuated boat trailers brakes. Electric brakes are better but are more vulnerable to problems due to immersion in water.
Firstly, I know that some WDH are "compatible" with surge brakes.
Secondly, I never said I was blessed or some other stupid snarky comment like that, I did how ever say to upgrade the hitch or get a truck with a class 5 on it already.
You are incorrect about the truck limit. The F150 is not limited to 500 lbs tongue weight. The hitch is. It is advertised as 500 lbs tongue weight because thats the hitch they put on in the factory. You can put a stronger hitch on a truck. On an F150 your biggest limiter with a class 5 hitch will be payload. It is also not easy to replace the factory hitch with a class 5 on an F150 these days, but it can(and has) been done.
Finally, surge brakes are obviously used on boat trailers. Clearly what you dont realize is electro-hydraulic actuation. You retain the hydraulic brake function. The electro-hydraulic actuator stays clear of the water. If you were to submerse that unit your truck would be in the water too. At the least you should properly educate yourself on that before telling me my post is full of misinformation.
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Yes, you have to modify it by adding a pole tongue adapter.
Most boat trailers have a "pole" tongue, not an A-frame tongue that is on most RV, cargo, animal, and utility trailers. But the industry makes a "pole tongue adapter" that allows hooking up a WD hitch on a pole tongue. Like this one for an Equal-I-Zer hitch that will work with surge brakes on a boat trailer
https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories...5-01-5950.html
Most boat trailers have a "pole" tongue, not an A-frame tongue that is on most RV, cargo, animal, and utility trailers. But the industry makes a "pole tongue adapter" that allows hooking up a WD hitch on a pole tongue. Like this one for an Equal-I-Zer hitch that will work with surge brakes on a boat trailer
https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories...5-01-5950.html
Thats neat. I never knew something like this existed. If I didnt want to upgrade the hitch and bag the rear end, I would use it if I were determined to pull a huge boat with an F150, and upgrade the surge actuator to electro-hydraulic.
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Is it a challenge?
Well that is an excuse not to do it. You may join the exclusive club of boaters who enjoy devine intervention which allows a boater to bust any over the road spec or law just because. Just because they are a boater. A good example is trailer brakes. Ford recommend trailer brakes over 1,500#. States have trailer brake laws most are @ 3,000#. But if you are a boater and enjoy devine intervention then bust the brake laws, too. No problem.
For the rest of us poor slobs the F150 has a 500# tongue and 5,000# trailer limit above which a WDH is required by Ford. Ford provides no exceptions. None. Do as you wish but you at least know what the specs are.
Well that is an excuse not to do it. You may join the exclusive club of boaters who enjoy devine intervention which allows a boater to bust any over the road spec or law just because. Just because they are a boater. A good example is trailer brakes. Ford recommend trailer brakes over 1,500#. States have trailer brake laws most are @ 3,000#. But if you are a boater and enjoy devine intervention then bust the brake laws, too. No problem.
For the rest of us poor slobs the F150 has a 500# tongue and 5,000# trailer limit above which a WDH is required by Ford. Ford provides no exceptions. None. Do as you wish but you at least know what the specs are.
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I wonder if the published weight of a boat includes a full tank of gas? Our F150's payload takes into account a full tank of gas and 150# driver
I've never used a wdh on a boat, tend to agree with you, but I guess if I wanted to pull a heavier boat, I'd consider a wdh for it, and consider removing the bars as part of the launching process. No biggy for those of us that deal with them with our travel trailers.
I've never used a wdh on a boat, tend to agree with you, but I guess if I wanted to pull a heavier boat, I'd consider a wdh for it, and consider removing the bars as part of the launching process. No biggy for those of us that deal with them with our travel trailers.
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SpencerPJ (09-24-2020)
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You are incorrect about the truck limit. The F150 is not limited to 500 lbs tongue weight. The hitch is. It is advertised as 500 lbs tongue weight because thats the hitch they put on in the factory. You can put a stronger hitch on a truck. On an F150 your biggest limiter with a class 5 hitch will be payload. It is also not easy to replace the factory hitch with a class 5 on an F150 these days, but it can(and has) been done.
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At the least you should properly educate yourself on that before telling me my post is full of misinformation.
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Yes and thank you for reviving an old thread @23 Blackout-Platinum
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