smokeywren

Yet, it says that, but continue reading and it also says: (paraphrasing)addition of trailer tongue load weight or trailer king pin load weight and weight of cargo and passengers cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed GVWR or rear GAWR.


Tow rating is GCWR minus the weight of the truck. A 2017 F-150 SuperCrew 4x4 with tow rating of 11,400 has GCWR of 17,100. That means that the wet and loaded F-150 SuperCrew 4x4 with HDPP cannot weigh more than 5,700 pounds before you tie onto the trailer, else you'll exceed the GCWR of the F-150.


The tow rating indicates the max weight of any trailer your truck can PULL, but it ignores the weight your truck can carry on the 4 tires of the truck. It assumes a wagon-style trailer with very little tongue weight (hitch weight). But a properly loaded TT has about 13% tongue weight, or 1,430 pounds for a TT that grosses 11k. And a properly loaded fifth wheel RV trailer has about 20% pin weight (hitch weight), or 2,200 pounds for a 5er that grosses 11k.


So no matter how well equipped, you cannot tow an 11k trailer with an F-150 without being overloaded, i.e., without exceeding the GVWR or rear GAWR weight limits of the F-150.

fafafooey

Never say never...
https://www.f150forum.com/f82/finall...ked-up-256938/

smokeywren

Well, yeah, with a Trailer Toad. But that's a very expensive way to hitch up a TT. The difference in the cost of a SuperDuty compared to an F-150 is less than the cost of a Trailer Toad.

charles_slc

Well, it might be possible with a stripped down regular cab XLT 4x2 w/HDPP, 8' bed....payload starts at 3220/3270 (3.5EB/5.0v8) . ~1000# should be enough for driver & spouse. and the bare minimum options.

Might even be able to do with with a stripped down super cab XLT 4x2 w/HDPP, 3.5EB, 8' bed....payload starts at 2920/2960. ~700# might give you enough for driver & spouse and a small child or two.

But it's unlikely you could carry 4+ adults in a super cab with a 11K 5er.

Pugga

iTrader: (1)

Lots of people are buying fancy $2,000 WDH for their F150's, not much more for a $3,000 trailer toad to actually get all your capacity back in the truck. You're not going to go from an F150 to a similarly dressed 250 for $3k, at least not where I live. If you want to pull the max of what the F150 is rated for, the trailer toad is really the only legal option to get it done.

glazer1972

Get an F350SRW.

Ryan Dennen

Weight police need to actually prove to me that all the 3/4 ton trucks pulling 5ers are not over loaded or close. I looked at a 2017 F350 diesel last week and its payload was 2125# . So will it tow 15k # sure , legally NO . My close friend has a 2500HD duramax been hauling 5er for years never realized he is way over his payload with empty truck and the dry pin weight of his rig. Do what you feel is safe drive carefully keep you GCWR in mind . 9000# TT with 900# on the tongue is a lot more dangerous than a 10,000# 5er .

I had 2500# of stone in my F150 eco yesterday and it was like it wasn't even there, I do have helwig helper springs to help with sag but the truck performed perfect. I say max that rig out and see how it goes .

acdii

There's no question that an F250 can haul a lot of weight, and while pulling an RV, LEO will not even think of touching it unless it is quite obvious, or poorly set up. That is not the concern of "weight police". What is the concern is that "IF" an accident happens, whether or not it was the drivers fault, if the rig was over the GAWR, GCWR, GVWR, any of the three, if an injury or death occurs, Civil court will own you. In some cases, it has been known that severe fines have been issued as well. There was a case of a driver and his wife towing a trailer well over the means of the tow vehicle, and they went through an intersection and got t-boned. The wife died. Even though he had the right of way and the other driver blew the stop, the fact the rig was overloaded and did not have proper braking, the driver was in a world of hurt. I wish I could find that story, but I don't remember where I read it.

That's it in a nut shell.

8100hd

You can if you add air bags, change shocks, add a sway bar, add E rated LT tires with wider wheels, and ignore at least one of the the following ratings GVWR, RAWR, or GCWR. Other than that your good to go.

mass-hole

If a crew cab HDPP truck has 2890 lb payload for a 2x4 and 2650 for a 4x4 then they could theoretically handle the 2200 lb pin and still have 690 or 450 lbs left over.

4800 lb RAWR means they have ~2500-2600 available on the rear axle alone, which of course is not where every single lb of payload would end up. So why cant you tow an 11,000 lb trailer and stay under GCWR, GVWR, and RAWR? that 11,400 lb trailer weight is calculated assuming 300 lbs of passengers and a 250 lb 5th wheel hitch weight already factored in.