2016 Heavy Duty Payload Package Questions
05-07-2016, 11:12 AM
#11
Senior Member
So very happy that I went with my HD payload. It rides fantastic, has prove incredibly reliable over the 4 years of use. The upgraded suspension and LT tires etc make it an amazing platform for towing. I haul a 10k lb 5'r with it and it is a match made in heaven. It is my daily driver; that is one of the main reasons why I built and ordered my truck this way. I didn't want the 'bigger hammer' at this point.
I'd say if you can wait (I understand there has been and continues to be significant delays with delivery) then you won't regret going with the HD Payload. It was sure worth the wait for me.
I'd say if you can wait (I understand there has been and continues to be significant delays with delivery) then you won't regret going with the HD Payload. It was sure worth the wait for me.
05-07-2016, 04:36 PM
#12
Found On Road Dominating
So this is my first post here and I am about to spend $50,000+ on ordering a 2016 F150 4x4 SuperCrew 3.5 Ecoboost Lariat. I am buying this truck to use with a pop up truck camper. I am very torn as to whether to go with the heavy duty payload package or not. I am always a bit reluctant to try to ask these types of questions on an internet forum. This is going to be a bit long-winded, but if people could actually read my post before just replying that I should get the heavy duty payload package or a super duty I would appreciate it. I have done the math several times and at full capacity loaded with everything I will be at just under 2400 pounds of payload. I am fully aware that in order to be under sticker payload I will need the heavy duty payload package but there are a few reasons I am considering skipping it. If I do not get the heavy payload package I will end up with a truck that has more of the options that I want. I would skip heavy options such as the moon roof to keep the weight down, but I would be able to get things like LED headlights, the center console, the sport appearance package and the Sony stereo. I realize that this stuff adds a few pounds but I would upgrade the stereo if I got the hd payload anyway and the rest of it I don't see weighing more than a hundred pounds. Another potentially big advantage is the fact that I could get a truck with softer rear springs and better ride quality for day to day driving when I was not using the camper. I would rather get the stiffness out of airbags, stable loads or something similar than having an extra leaf if I'm honest. I know that this would give me a ride quality advantage, but I have no idea how much of one since I am unable to test drive a SuperCrew heavy duty payload package since they haven't built any yet. If anyone has any feedback regarding ride quality of previous generations or different body styles with the heavy duty payload package please let me know. After doing a lot of research it looks like the heavy duty payload package gives me stiffer springs, a 3.73 rear end with a heavy duty diff that takes more oil, heavy duty wheels, higher rated tires, stiffer springs and a frame that is 1/100 of an inch thicker. If properly equipped a normal F-150 can be spec'd with the exact same tires and although you cannot get the same wheels to me the Sport Wheels look completely identical aside from finished. You can only get the 3.55 rear end but it's still 9.75 although it is not the heavy duty version and requires less fluid. I think this gives the axle rating in the rear a lower weight rating which is my main concern. So it really seems like aside from the very minutely thicker frame the only meaningful difference is the rear axle. Does anybody know how a 9.75 3.73 heavy-duty rear end is different from a 3.55 9.75 rear end? How bad of an idea would it be to order the truck without the heavy duty payload package for the advantages of getting a better spec'd truck with a smoother ride and an almost guarantee that they will actually build it unlike the heavy duty payload package? I've read stories about legal issues for going over payload, but has this actually ever happened to anyone? all of the issues I've read about are theoretical. If anyone actually made it through this wall of text I appreciate you reading my post. There wasn't really a concise way to ask this.
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Velosprout (05-18-2016)
05-15-2016, 08:59 PM
#13
So this is my first post here and I am about to spend $50,000+ on ordering a 2016 F150 4x4 SuperCrew 3.5 Ecoboost Lariat. I am buying this truck to use with a pop up truck camper. I am very torn as to whether to go with the heavy duty payload package or not.
I am always a bit reluctant to try to ask these types of questions on an internet forum. This is going to be a bit long-winded, but if people could actually read my post before just replying that I should get the heavy duty payload package or a super duty I would appreciate it. I have done the math several times and at full capacity loaded with everything I will be at just under 2400 pounds of payload. I am fully aware that in order to be under sticker payload I will need the heavy duty payload package but there are a few reasons I am considering skipping it.
If I do not get the heavy payload package I will end up with a truck that has more of the options that I want. I would skip heavy options such as the moon roof to keep the weight down, but I would be able to get things like LED headlights, the center console, the sport appearance package and the Sony stereo. I realize that this stuff adds a few pounds but I would upgrade the stereo if I got the hd payload anyway and the rest of it I don't see weighing more than a hundred pounds. Another potentially big advantage is the fact that I could get a truck with softer rear springs and better ride quality for day to day driving when I was not using the camper. I would rather get the stiffness out of airbags, stable loads or something similar than having an extra leaf if I'm honest. I know that this would give me a ride quality advantage, but I have no idea how much of one since I am unable to test drive a SuperCrew heavy duty payload package since they haven't built any yet. If anyone has any feedback regarding ride quality of previous generations or different body styles with the heavy duty payload package please let me know.
After doing a lot of research it looks like the heavy duty payload package gives me stiffer springs, a 3.73 rear end with a heavy duty diff that takes more oil, heavy duty wheels, higher rated tires, stiffer springs and a frame that is 1/100 of an inch thicker.
If properly equipped a normal F-150 can be spec'd with the exact same tires and although you cannot get the same wheels to me the Sport Wheels look completely identical aside from finished. You can only get the 3.55 rear end but it's still 9.75 although it is not the heavy duty version and requires less fluid. I think this gives the axle rating in the rear a lower weight rating which is my main concern. So it really seems like aside from the very minutely thicker frame the only meaningful difference is the rear axle. Does anybody know how a 9.75 3.73 heavy-duty rear end is different from a 3.55 9.75 rear end? How bad of an idea would it be to order the truck without the heavy duty payload package for the advantages of getting a better spec'd truck with a smoother ride and an almost guarantee that they will actually build it unlike the heavy duty payload package? I've read stories about legal issues for going over payload, but has this actually ever happened to anyone? all of the issues I've read about are theoretical. If anyone actually made it through this wall of text I appreciate you reading my post. There wasn't really a concise way to ask this.
I am always a bit reluctant to try to ask these types of questions on an internet forum. This is going to be a bit long-winded, but if people could actually read my post before just replying that I should get the heavy duty payload package or a super duty I would appreciate it. I have done the math several times and at full capacity loaded with everything I will be at just under 2400 pounds of payload. I am fully aware that in order to be under sticker payload I will need the heavy duty payload package but there are a few reasons I am considering skipping it.
If I do not get the heavy payload package I will end up with a truck that has more of the options that I want. I would skip heavy options such as the moon roof to keep the weight down, but I would be able to get things like LED headlights, the center console, the sport appearance package and the Sony stereo. I realize that this stuff adds a few pounds but I would upgrade the stereo if I got the hd payload anyway and the rest of it I don't see weighing more than a hundred pounds. Another potentially big advantage is the fact that I could get a truck with softer rear springs and better ride quality for day to day driving when I was not using the camper. I would rather get the stiffness out of airbags, stable loads or something similar than having an extra leaf if I'm honest. I know that this would give me a ride quality advantage, but I have no idea how much of one since I am unable to test drive a SuperCrew heavy duty payload package since they haven't built any yet. If anyone has any feedback regarding ride quality of previous generations or different body styles with the heavy duty payload package please let me know.
After doing a lot of research it looks like the heavy duty payload package gives me stiffer springs, a 3.73 rear end with a heavy duty diff that takes more oil, heavy duty wheels, higher rated tires, stiffer springs and a frame that is 1/100 of an inch thicker.
If properly equipped a normal F-150 can be spec'd with the exact same tires and although you cannot get the same wheels to me the Sport Wheels look completely identical aside from finished. You can only get the 3.55 rear end but it's still 9.75 although it is not the heavy duty version and requires less fluid. I think this gives the axle rating in the rear a lower weight rating which is my main concern. So it really seems like aside from the very minutely thicker frame the only meaningful difference is the rear axle. Does anybody know how a 9.75 3.73 heavy-duty rear end is different from a 3.55 9.75 rear end? How bad of an idea would it be to order the truck without the heavy duty payload package for the advantages of getting a better spec'd truck with a smoother ride and an almost guarantee that they will actually build it unlike the heavy duty payload package? I've read stories about legal issues for going over payload, but has this actually ever happened to anyone? all of the issues I've read about are theoretical. If anyone actually made it through this wall of text I appreciate you reading my post. There wasn't really a concise way to ask this.
Even though the payload is good, it's likely you'll overload your rear axle.
I test drove 2016 F250 I was about to purchase and loved it. Since I commute a lot of miles in my truck, I decided on the F150. However if I needed to tow a larger 5th wheel or a truck camper, a F250 would be in my driveway without a doubt. Besides, the F250 is cheaper than the '16 F150.
05-15-2016, 11:03 PM
#14
Senior Member
05-16-2016, 12:21 AM
#15
All the pop up truck campers I've seen are around 2600 lbs empty and come in much heavier when loaded. A truck camper really requires a F250 and even then, sometime helper springs are needed.
Even though the payload is good, it's likely you'll overload your rear axle.
I test drove 2016 F250 I was about to purchase and loved it. Since I commute a lot of miles in my truck, I decided on the F150. However if I needed to tow a larger 5th wheel or a truck camper, a F250 would be in my driveway without a doubt. Besides, the F250 is cheaper than the '16 F150.
Even though the payload is good, it's likely you'll overload your rear axle.
I test drove 2016 F250 I was about to purchase and loved it. Since I commute a lot of miles in my truck, I decided on the F150. However if I needed to tow a larger 5th wheel or a truck camper, a F250 would be in my driveway without a doubt. Besides, the F250 is cheaper than the '16 F150.
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WestsydeGuy (05-16-2016)
05-16-2016, 12:32 AM
#16
Cowboy of the Skies
The HD is sweet.
Especially the 5.0 with 3.73 gears combo.
Especially the 5.0 with 3.73 gears combo.
05-16-2016, 08:33 PM
#17
I've had both the HD and normal duty 2013 model year.
The normal duty (which I have now) does ride smoother, but has a bit more give in the turns. Not mushy, but noticeably different. I posted in a tire choice thread awhile back, let me see if I can find it.
edit: Here you go:
But anyway here's my story, hope it helps:
My previous '13 - "Gray" (stolen last year) had LT245/75R17E BFG Rugged Trail TA on it with 3.73 LSD, all of which came with the Heavy Payload Package.
My current '13 - "Silver" has P275/65R18 Goodyear Wrangler SRA and has the 3.55 locker.
Gray rode firmer, which was certainly (in part) attributed to the heavy duty suspension. The 60psi that gave best wear also made every bump and crack very noticeable at slow speeds; but it wasn't even close to loosening teeth. On the highway, it was quite stable and the firmer tires weren't noticeable (even though the suspension was). Emergency handling was very good, as noted when dodging the unknown critter at 70mph the first night after buying the truck.
Silver has more of a luxurious ride, you don't notice bumps much around town. If you drove them back-to-back, Silver would seem a little mushier than Gray was, and the tires give a bit more in the turns. It's not bad, just different.
MPG - Silver gets around 1-2 more than Gray did on the highway. Most Gray got was about 21.5, Silver 23.4. Around town the difference is even greater, more like 5mpg or so, the weight of the LT tires making a difference due to the larger mass being accelerated. The axle ratios and greater weight of Gray probably make the difference on the highway.
Gray was better in the snow, but with the difference in tire brands and vehicle weights, can't make any definitive statements there. Did not drive either in any mud that would be a challenge.
I am on the fence same as you are. I don't tow very often, but do prefer the firmer ride and handling. $44 more per tire isn't all that much, but I've got another 5000 miles to make my decision.
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Overall I preferred the HD. For the normal duty, you'll be overloading it every time you put the camper in place; not where you want to be, IMO you'll be experiencing a lot of sway.
The normal duty (which I have now) does ride smoother, but has a bit more give in the turns. Not mushy, but noticeably different. I posted in a tire choice thread awhile back, let me see if I can find it.
edit: Here you go:
But anyway here's my story, hope it helps:
My previous '13 - "Gray" (stolen last year) had LT245/75R17E BFG Rugged Trail TA on it with 3.73 LSD, all of which came with the Heavy Payload Package.
My current '13 - "Silver" has P275/65R18 Goodyear Wrangler SRA and has the 3.55 locker.
Gray rode firmer, which was certainly (in part) attributed to the heavy duty suspension. The 60psi that gave best wear also made every bump and crack very noticeable at slow speeds; but it wasn't even close to loosening teeth. On the highway, it was quite stable and the firmer tires weren't noticeable (even though the suspension was). Emergency handling was very good, as noted when dodging the unknown critter at 70mph the first night after buying the truck.
Silver has more of a luxurious ride, you don't notice bumps much around town. If you drove them back-to-back, Silver would seem a little mushier than Gray was, and the tires give a bit more in the turns. It's not bad, just different.
MPG - Silver gets around 1-2 more than Gray did on the highway. Most Gray got was about 21.5, Silver 23.4. Around town the difference is even greater, more like 5mpg or so, the weight of the LT tires making a difference due to the larger mass being accelerated. The axle ratios and greater weight of Gray probably make the difference on the highway.
Gray was better in the snow, but with the difference in tire brands and vehicle weights, can't make any definitive statements there. Did not drive either in any mud that would be a challenge.
I am on the fence same as you are. I don't tow very often, but do prefer the firmer ride and handling. $44 more per tire isn't all that much, but I've got another 5000 miles to make my decision.
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Overall I preferred the HD. For the normal duty, you'll be overloading it every time you put the camper in place; not where you want to be, IMO you'll be experiencing a lot of sway.
05-16-2016, 09:30 PM
#18
I think you should go for all of the payload capacity that you can get. A truck camper has all of the weight up high; and it's a big sail.
You should consider something like a Hellwig rear anti-roll bar too. Roll will be your biggest handling issue; especially in the wind or uneven pavement.
You should consider something like a Hellwig rear anti-roll bar too. Roll will be your biggest handling issue; especially in the wind or uneven pavement.
05-16-2016, 09:33 PM
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