gDMJoe

OK. Understand.

In the initial post BadNivFX42013 indicated turning off Traction Contol and you noted that it "it will turn back on at 35mph no matter what you do". The point was that's not true.
.

Tatunka

I know it hard to believe but the TCS program does NOT have anything to do with breaking the tires loose the engine does that. All it does is transfer torque from one spinning wheel, sensed by the ABS, to the other through the use of applied brakes, the engine torque then gets dispersed equally, and on my truck it causes long smokey tire marks down the street even though I have an open diff. So like I said TCS actually can help break the tires loose.

ESC and RSC are the same, they both use shared steering sensors, speed sensors, ABS sensors, and gryoscope to keep the vehicle on it's intended course be it a straight line or rubber side down. I could call it EVSC, RSC, VSC, ESC but they are all Stability Control programs and they all do the same thing. You can put lip stick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

ultradriver10000

You can pull fuse 36 and it will kill all traction control and ABS lol. That's what I do...

BadNivFX42013

I'm not in the market to kill the ABS but just wanna fish tail a bit in the snow. So is it the traction control or the other 2 things that does t allow u too keep a drift going over 35 mph? Witch ever it is that's what I want off bec that's annoying as all hell.

WAY BAD

With out a tune to override the ESC & RSC, you can not drift our trucks over 35mph. Unless you do what was mentioned above about pulling the fuse. You can do long STRIAGHT wheel spins with the TCS turned off, but no fish tailing. That's what the ESC & RSC prevent the truck from doing.

Al Kohalic

I doubt a tuner will do this for you since laws require ALL vehicles built in 2012 and later to have some form of RSC, and doing so will be a very big liability. If you get in an accident and it is found that you have a tune that eliminates any safety feature that is required in order to operate on public roads then not only you but whoever did the tune will get owned in the **** by a lawyer without Vasoline(and then again in prison by your new Papi if someone is killed). I think the fuse might be your best bet since I am sure no tuner wants to take that much of a risk.

I just ask one favor as a fellow forum member. Once you are done playing around in your truck doing as many donuts as the kid in you can take, please put back that fuse if the weather gets bad and you are driving anywhere near San Antonio, Tx. I am not hatin', just asking as a fellow forum member because that small chance that it might be my family you accidentally hit when the RSC could have avoided it. Any other time, go nuts.

BadNivFX42013

For me I don't want this crap on anytime. I want total control of my truck and you don't get that with this new crap in these trucks.

It has nothing to do with being a kid at all. A person that doesn't mess around a bit and learn how to control there truck in a slide or drift , won't be able to when the time comes. For me I think the power cut off is more an accident waiting to happen then a benefit.

Al Kohalic

Not everyone is an Earnhardt like you and needs a little help. Or for those like me who have experience getting sideways and correcting it, but just are not as fast as The Flash in some situations.

I can honestly say I am still here today because of these systems. I was driving my wife's old car, Genesis Coupe 3.8, to Dallas for a meeting on cruise doing 80 mph, which is the speed limit here on I-130 for those that are not from Texas. I was in the right lane and about to get into the left lane to pass a car. All of the sudden the back end of the car hit something slick and made the car fish tail. The car almost went completely sideways as I turned toward the way the back end of the car was going to correct myself and then suddenly car slowed down and straightened out. At first I thought I got out of it because of my previous driving experience and great driving ability, but the more I started to think about what had happened the more I remembered that I did not hit the brakes yet the car did apply them. It happen so fast that I did not have time to react and apply any brakes which is something you do not want to do on all four corners in that situation anyways. When I got to my motel room in Dallas, I did a little research and found out that it was not me or my superb driving that saved my life but ESC and RSC. There was no way in the world I would have not rolled that car without it and this was on a very well handling sports car. Just think of how much easier a top heavy truck can flip.

The Genesis also had a button that let you completely turn ALL traction control off. I have turned it off a few times and learned how much the ESC and RSC help the car in it's handling. There is a big difference and I found out real quick that some of the corning I was able to do with it on was not because of my driving skills. I was able to adjust with it off, but just took more work to keep it where I wanted it to go on fast turns without the back end coming loose. The system makes you think you are a great driver until it is off and you find out how much of that was the ESC and how little was your ability.

I have felt the system work on evasive maneuvers on my truck as well, like quick lane changes. It is hard to feel but you can if you know what to feel for. Most of the time you will never even notice it kicks in. I can bet you that your system has kicked in in your truck if you have made any quick maneuvers, but just didn't feel or notice it.

I am not trying to say anything bad about your driving ability, but you or anyone else(well maybe Earnhardt Sr.) would not have been fast enough to react in the situation I was in. Worst off, I did not have the ability to apply brakes to just one wheel as needed even if I could react in time. I understand you feel the way you do that you want to be in control of everything, but most people may not be as good as a driver as you are or have the ability to react like Superman. Although, does that also mean you are against ABS as well? Just curious.

http://youtu.be/NiZjeeMExY4

http://youtu.be/MCRLKRluk1w

http://youtu.be/pQq-4KYBxsI

Tatunka

+1, I couldn't have said it better. I was thinking the same thing when reading others posts. The systems on these trucks are so advanced that people think they are awesome drivers when in fact its the vehicle that is awesome. I had a Subaru that you could stomp on the gas and it would just hook up, even in a foot of snow. You could throw it into a cloverleaf and hang the tail out while accelerating, yes Subaru's program lets you do this a little, to get into traffic. If you turned the ESC off, into the ditch you would go. Just sayin but to learn how to drive with these new systems, you are going to be better driver all around. And yes even if you are stuck in mud, most of the time it will help you get out.

WAY BAD

Totally agree! I think they prolly work for some situations, but allow the owner to make the decision. Just another way for the F'n government to control what we do...