papa tiger

If AKA puts me on his ignore list I won't have to answer him like I feel I need to now.


I can't blame him for wanting to run a Diesel oil if he wants to. It's his new EB. Others have chosen a GM rated oil for theirs that claims to be better than just GF5. Winter is coming and Novermber oil change will be a slippery GF5 into mine once more. I change their oil 4 times a year whether they want it or not. ;>/

Ron AKA

SN is the approval for US gasoline engines. However, there is a subtle point that does need to be understood. The order in which the approvals are listed on the API donut is significant. If the SN is listed last, and I expect it would be on this oil, it means the C specs for diesel take precedent over the S spec. This is important as all those C specs allow for more phosphorous than the SN spec. In other words they allow for more use of ZDDP for wear resistance. This is basically good, but potentially you could poison your catalytic converter. For that reason you need to look for another specification that limits phosphorous to the safe level of 0.08% for the oil. That specification is as I listed in my post ACEA E6-12. This is a diesel oil specification that limits phosphorous to 0.08%, and as a result makes it suitable for gasoline engines with catalytic converters. See this link for more detail:

https://www.lubrizol.com/EngineOilAd...CEA-E6-12.html

papa tiger

Euro ACEA specifications for gasoline are different than for Diesel. This is a European Rating.


ACEA Specifications

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The ACEA 2012 European Oil Sequences for Service-fill Oils comprise 3 sets (classes) of sequences: one for Gasoline and Light Duty Diesel engines; one specifically for Gasoline and Light Duty Diesel engines with after treatment devices and one for Heavy Duty Diesel engines. Within each of these sets there are categories which reflect different performance requirements - four (A1/B1, A3/B3, A3/B4 & A5/B5) for gasoline and light duty diesel engines; four (C1, C2, C3, C4) specifically for engines with after treatment devices, and four (E4, E6, E7, E9) for heavy duty diesel engines. Typical applications for each sequence are described below for guidance only. Specific applications of each sequence are the responsibility of individual engine manufacturers for their own vehicles / engines.




E : Heavy Duty Diesel engine oils
E4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing excellent control of piston cleanliness, wear, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro I, Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV and Euro V emission requirements and running under very severe conditions, e.g. significantly extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines without particulate filters, and for some EGR engines and some engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. However, recommendations may differ between engine manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in doubt.
E6 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing excellent control of piston cleanliness, wear, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro I, Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV, Euro V and Euro VI emission requirements and running under very severe conditions, e.g. significantly extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for EGR engines, with or without particulate filters, and for engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. E6 quality is strongly recommended for engines fitted with particulate filters and is designed for use in combination with low sulphur diesel fuel. However, recommendations may differ between engine manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in doubt. Enduron LS 10W-40
E7 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing effective control with respect to piston cleanliness and bore polishing. It further provides excellent wear control, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro I, Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV and Euro V emission requirements and running under severe conditions, e.g. extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines without particulate filters, and for most EGR engines and most engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. However, recommendations may differ between engine manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in doubt. Enduron LS 10W-40
E9 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing effective control with respect to piston cleanliness and bore polishing. It further provides excellent wear control, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro I, Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV, Euro V and Euro VI emission requirements and running under severe conditions, e.g. extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines with or without particulate filters, and for most EGR engines and for most engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. E9 is strongly
recommended for engines fitted with particulate filters and is designed for use in combination with low sulphur diesel fuel. However, recommendations may differ between engine manufacturers so Drivers Manuals and/or Dealers should be consulted if in doubt <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<




A/B : gasoline and diesel engine oils
A1/B1 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in gasoline engines and car & light van diesel engines specifically designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a high temperature / high shear rate viscosity of 2.6 mPa*s for xW/20 and 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.s for all other viscosity grades. These oils are unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt. Fleetcare LS 5W-20, Fleetcare FE 5W-30, Fleetmaster 5W-30
A3/B3 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline engines and car & light van diesel engines and/or for extended drain intervals where specified by the engine manufacturer, and/or for year-round use of low viscosity oils, and/or for severe operating conditions as defined by the engine manufacturer. Fleetmaster 10W-40
A3/B4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline and direct injection diesel engines, but also suitable for applications described under A3/B3. Fleetcare 5W-40, Fleetmaster 10W-40
A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline engines and car & light van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear rate (HTHS) viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils are unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt. <<<<<<<<<< Fleetcare G2 5W-30, Fleetcare ECO 5W-30


If you want to choose it go for it. It would not hurt your motor early on but it is a WSS-____913 rating from ford.

Ron AKA

Papa Tiger, you seem to be hung up on US vs European standards, and unable to translate between them. You might feel more comfortable with The Chevron Delo 400 LE 5W30 oil. This is a US product (as is the Mobil Delvac 1). But you might find the sales wording more comforting.

https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/...&docFormat=PDF

vozaday

That is exactly what papa has been saying from the very beginning. All I can say is wow.

Ron AKA

Mobil Delvac 1 is an American oil. If it meets a European specification (ACEA E6-12) that requires it to have less than 0.08% phosphorous what difference does it make? The important part is that it has less than 0.08% phosphorous.

millwrat

Incredibly, Mobil offers a selection tool for vehicle owners to determine Mobil's oil offerings for their vehicle.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/....aspx?option=2

Amazingly, it even lets one enter specifics:

Astonishingly, it asks even more detailed questions:

Shockingly, they recommend oils designed for gasoline-powered engines:

Mystifyingly, the world's largest oil company, with thousands of chemists and petroleum engineers, does not recommend their oils designed for diesel engines, such as Delvac, in any way, shape or form.

Someone needs to call ExxonMobil STAT and get to the bottom of this mystery.

vozaday

Unfortunately all this logical information will fall short of AKA's schedule....

papa tiger

XII on calling an oil Guy/Lab Chemist from Mobile. I sure Ford will shake a head/laugh at them.


The Dexos oil is probably a superior oil with its GM approval for ones heavy towing the bull up the mountain the average driver probably doesn't have to have it but ? I believe Dexos is bragged on by GM for their Caddy's especially wanting to have a superior oil with longer drain times but is it actually heavy duty oil for a truck or simply superior for passenger car service.
I do believe for those having done down pipes and removal of Catz in their state the more hardy oils would probably be fine with their off road uses like mud racing or hauling hay bales and mountain climbing, most anything that would use low 4X4 continuously all day. Those owners will have their say 10 years from now still slogging their old F150 EB about dragging stumps and what not about with a store of rebuilt turbo's at their disposal.

phantomblackgto

Maybe retirement isn't such a good thing after all!