Definitive Full Race Motorsports Eco-Boost Thread
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Reflections Detail (08-22-2013)
#233
Friday afternoon 'carpal tunnel' ecoboost update:
-First, THANK YOU to everyone who has posted up reviews on our exhaust system or intercooler. We take pride in everything that leaves our facility, and it means a lot to see the photos and read your reviews. I realize our exhaust and intercooler are not for everyone (plus the box sizes are large so shipping isnt cheap) but the parts are arriving undamaged and customers are installing them properly the first time with no headaches and telling us they're happy.. that is our #1 goal
-FMIC with 2013+ F150 e-bov compatibility: our mounting flanges for the electronic bov are at the machine shop getting produced now. Ford uses a proprietary 'indexing thread pitch' to align and seal the Ebov. These will be ready for ordering with detailed photos and instructions posted online around the 2nd-3rd week of September (my guess is sept 16). Thanks for your patience, it took some time to get it just right.
-freakoboost single turbo kit: in 110F+ ambient we’re at ~620wtq (4th gear) but this is the maximum we can get with the stock fuel system.
-matched ecoboost GDI injector sets are happening: The reason I stress ‘matched’ is because all modern fuel injectors are machine wound, not hand wound. This means they vary and no 2 are the same. Depending how the wrap lands, it will conduct electricity and open/close at slightly different rates (we saw surprising variation in our own truck’s injectors ). GDI injectors are no different and are based upon a machine wound wrapping of copper wires. However, GDI injectors are different from traditional port fuel injectors in that they open with a first response of 60V then get all their work done between 1-5ms. When you add more pulsewidth beyond 5ms, the injectors stop increasing in flow (whereas a normal port fuel injector keeps on flowing) therefore a multiple-injection-event fueling strategy is employed by the computer. max operating pressure on these injectors is capped at 2150psi, we can’t get around that hard limit with the technology currently available.. however bench testing was successful and shows we have ~20% more fuel capacity on tap. Lots more to come in this area. These injectors are custom made bosch units and use uprated internals but retain the identical electrical characteristics, spray patterns, and the seating/sealing surfaces of the OEM units to keep tuning simple.
Note: if anybody happens to gain access to a stuck stuck or bad GDI injector I would like to take a look at it. test the injector coil, measure inductance (L)/capicatance (C)/resistance (R) then compare to known good injectors injectors… possibly get some insight
both of you guys are still using stock cats and stock downpipes, right?
When our resonated exhaust is used with the stock cat/downpipes – it does not drone or create excessive loudness under load. I can totally understand your concern but that is exactly what we designed our exhaust not to do
No problem
Ha, that just made my week !!
Hey dave – part of the reason your truck’s exhaust is so quiet without resonator is because youre on stock downpipes and stock cats. keep in mind that if you go to an aftermarket Y-pipe then you may want to consider adding a resonator
-First, THANK YOU to everyone who has posted up reviews on our exhaust system or intercooler. We take pride in everything that leaves our facility, and it means a lot to see the photos and read your reviews. I realize our exhaust and intercooler are not for everyone (plus the box sizes are large so shipping isnt cheap) but the parts are arriving undamaged and customers are installing them properly the first time with no headaches and telling us they're happy.. that is our #1 goal
-FMIC with 2013+ F150 e-bov compatibility: our mounting flanges for the electronic bov are at the machine shop getting produced now. Ford uses a proprietary 'indexing thread pitch' to align and seal the Ebov. These will be ready for ordering with detailed photos and instructions posted online around the 2nd-3rd week of September (my guess is sept 16). Thanks for your patience, it took some time to get it just right.
-freakoboost single turbo kit: in 110F+ ambient we’re at ~620wtq (4th gear) but this is the maximum we can get with the stock fuel system.
-matched ecoboost GDI injector sets are happening: The reason I stress ‘matched’ is because all modern fuel injectors are machine wound, not hand wound. This means they vary and no 2 are the same. Depending how the wrap lands, it will conduct electricity and open/close at slightly different rates (we saw surprising variation in our own truck’s injectors ). GDI injectors are no different and are based upon a machine wound wrapping of copper wires. However, GDI injectors are different from traditional port fuel injectors in that they open with a first response of 60V then get all their work done between 1-5ms. When you add more pulsewidth beyond 5ms, the injectors stop increasing in flow (whereas a normal port fuel injector keeps on flowing) therefore a multiple-injection-event fueling strategy is employed by the computer. max operating pressure on these injectors is capped at 2150psi, we can’t get around that hard limit with the technology currently available.. however bench testing was successful and shows we have ~20% more fuel capacity on tap. Lots more to come in this area. These injectors are custom made bosch units and use uprated internals but retain the identical electrical characteristics, spray patterns, and the seating/sealing surfaces of the OEM units to keep tuning simple.
Note: if anybody happens to gain access to a stuck stuck or bad GDI injector I would like to take a look at it. test the injector coil, measure inductance (L)/capicatance (C)/resistance (R) then compare to known good injectors injectors… possibly get some insight
both of you guys are still using stock cats and stock downpipes, right?
When our resonated exhaust is used with the stock cat/downpipes – it does not drone or create excessive loudness under load. I can totally understand your concern but that is exactly what we designed our exhaust not to do
My butt dyno says I gained some better throttle response. Plus it is the best sounding catback avalible for the Eco. Oh and also the best looking to. I think my exhaust was worth every penny, I am very very pleased with it. I havent turned on my radio much since I got it.
Ha, that just made my week !!
It's not loud at all without the resonator. On the highway you can't really hear it at all. Everyone that has heard mine say wow, it sounds really good for a v6.
I'm glad the resonator was on back order and I decided to try the it without it because I think it would have been to quiet like stock with it.
I'm glad the resonator was on back order and I decided to try the it without it because I think it would have been to quiet like stock with it.
Hey dave – part of the reason your truck’s exhaust is so quiet without resonator is because youre on stock downpipes and stock cats. keep in mind that if you go to an aftermarket Y-pipe then you may want to consider adding a resonator
#234
The engineering and CAD design work is completed just getting the eBOV mounts made now. This is for the 2013-2014 Ebov. it looks simple but is actually a complex piece to mfg, it’s been throwing our CNC shop for a loop because the thread indexes and seals the Ebov chamber plus the thread pitch is proprietary so try as we might could not make it on the lathe. I will post photos online as soon as its ready
I have had the cooler the longest in arizona temps up to 115* and not once had any issues at all .. most diesel trucks have massive intercoolers that completely cover their radiator. With a blower blowing on it when we were at the dyno I pup my hand behind it and air passed through completely fine. Also when we were at the dyno it was a room with the door open making 20 pulls it was 105* outside my truck never passed 190* I have also towed my 280z up a 6% grade for 11 miles in 105* @ 75mph in 6th gear boosting the whole way, and it did not budge past normal temps
x2!! Here in Vegas it has been hovering around 120 during the day. Even with temps that high when we go out to the lake bed to off road, my temps all stay within a normal range. Thats while im mashing on the gas for a few hours straight, in direct sun, and constantly abusing the engine.
typical highway driving (on our truck) is around 85C (180-190F) with the AC off and around 200F with AC on
typical high load towing temperatures are around 95-100C (220F-230F)
I realize its not 'textbook' but drilling a 9/64 or smaller hole in the thermostat plate, may be a good experiment. I didn’t mess with our stocker yet but ive had more than a few people recommend to try this. Once we pull the 160 out and put the stocker back in I may try a 170 but may also try the stocker with a hole. dont know yet would love to hear what is working for other people (since im sure there are guys who are able to overheat their stock trucks trailering around 10k)
So slightly off topic, but I have purchased the FR intercooler, SCT, drop in air filter (all on order from FR) and FR exhaust (received yesterday and it looks great.
Today I had a base line Dyno done so I could show you guys the before and after with these power adders... My concern is that I'm a good 50 ft/lbs and 20 rwhp below what I'm seeing most manufacturers of power adders posting as their base line Dyno... All pulls were done in 2nd gear... in manual mode.
Today I had a base line Dyno done so I could show you guys the before and after with these power adders... My concern is that I'm a good 50 ft/lbs and 20 rwhp below what I'm seeing most manufacturers of power adders posting as their base line Dyno... All pulls were done in 2nd gear... in manual mode.
Swap to manual mode, like they said load the rollers lock it into 3rd or4th(which you really need a tune--you should hit the speed limiter before 6K rpms if not)....make SURE you are at like 1800-2K rpms rolling and then when they tell you to....hammer it all the way to ~6K rpms------LET THE ROLLERS SLOW THE TRUCK DOWN ON THEIR OWN
I went back for another baseline Dyno this morning. Much better than last time. All runs were done in 3rd gear, (can't complete a 4th gear run because you hit 100mph speed limiter). Ambient air temperature was 81*F with 49%RH. Much better. Thanks for the tips! Now that the baseline is done I'll be installing the exhaust asap, and the intercooler as soon as I get it from FR.
good start, please keep posting up your results! If you have some time to kill, my friend Dave Pratte @ modified magazine wrote a great article on dyno testing and gears/drivetrain losses: http://www.modified.com/tech/modp-10...s/viewall.html
FR offers the BBK Performance Power Plus Throttle Body (linked) $400
BBK claims 8-12 hp increase... can anyone back this up? How much larger is this 73mm TB than stock?
BBK claims 8-12 hp increase... can anyone back this up? How much larger is this 73mm TB than stock?
-Stock TB is 68mm
-Intake manifold’s TB opening is 73mm
-Full-Race Intercooler’s 3” cold side charge piping is 72.9mm ID (3” / 76.2mm OD)
Noted, thanks gents.
We spent a lot of time and effort to ensure the Full-Race F150 intercooler is easy to install. Less work than any of the import car IC kits we sell.. in fact getting the stock IC out is more difficult than installing ours. Follow the instructions here http://www.full-race.com/articles/Ho...ce-upgrade.php and post up if you have any questions.
have a great weekend everyone
Last edited by Full-Race Geoff; 08-23-2013 at 02:38 PM.
#235
Eye of the Tiger
iTrader: (1)
For those who have had the condensation problem, will the increased throttle body size of the upgraded one make that issue more prevalent as more air is taken in? Other than 8-12HP, what are some of the benefits for upgrading?
#237
Senior Member
FR Geoff, thanks for a wealth of knowledge. Will be ordering your exhaust in the near future but before ordering just wondering if you would come out with a black painted/rustproof type version. I have no problem doing this myself but if something is going to be offered I would wait for that. Thanks again for your input on the forum.
#238
Ive been meaning to ask this geoff, on the freakoboost are you guys getting any axle wrap with the added power and bigger a/ts? I cant remember if you have a 1 piece driveshaft or not or even if it matters. I get some bad hop/wrap even with stock tires and only fmic, exhaust and 93 oct tune. Im addicted bad to sled pulling and some tracks if its really hard i can get into some bad wrap and hop but if it hooks well i can shut the chevy 6.0 crowd up quick.
for poops/giggles here the pull from last night - 3rd place in street stock - 328ft. if geoff would send free stuff Icough..tires...cough) id gladly add bigger full-race decals on my truck
for poops/giggles here the pull from last night - 3rd place in street stock - 328ft. if geoff would send free stuff Icough..tires...cough) id gladly add bigger full-race decals on my truck
Last edited by Bonesoftitanium; 08-24-2013 at 01:13 AM.
#239
Combat Vet OEF 10'
FR Geoff, thanks for a wealth of knowledge. Will be ordering your exhaust in the near future but before ordering just wondering if you would come out with a black painted/rustproof type version. I have no problem doing this myself but if something is going to be offered I would wait for that. Thanks again for your input on the forum.
But "rustproof"? It's stainless!