Decisions!!!
12-10-2013, 09:58 PM
#41
Senior Member
Does anyone that has a tuned EB know what you are putting to the ground? I have found some tunes for the 5.0 that are putting close to 350 HP and TQ to the ground and you don't have to worry about the longevity of the turbos. Plus I have heard that the 5.0 are severally de-tuned to make the EB sound more appealing. Don't know how much truth there is to that. As for the power on the test drive the EB had a 3.73 with 20" rims, 5.0 had 3.55 with 20" rims, so the EB had an advantage. It was mainly the lack luster initial start that the EB had. You hit the gas in one of the V-8's and it immediately puts you in the seat, the EB did not do that and I powered all three to around 100 or so and all three felt like they pulled about the same and looking at 1/4 mile times it is not that big of a difference. About 1/2 a second for stock trucks with similar set ups, that is not that big when you are in the high 14's to low 15's. On top of all this I did not want to have to worry about the EB turbos and inter cooler. It was the problem with the trucks going into limp mode that steered me away from it. Don't get me wrong I love the idea of that power house but I am looking for longevity in a truck.
12-10-2013, 10:17 PM
#42
Inebriated 4 ur safety
Does anyone that has a tuned EB know what you are putting to the ground? I have found some tunes for the 5.0 that are putting close to 350 HP and TQ to the ground and you don't have to worry about the longevity of the turbos. Plus I have heard that the 5.0 are severally de-tuned to make the EB sound more appealing. Don't know how much truth there is to that. As for the power on the test drive the EB had a 3.73 with 20" rims, 5.0 had 3.55 with 20" rims, so the EB had an advantage. It was mainly the lack luster initial start that the EB had. You hit the gas in one of the V-8's and it immediately puts you in the seat, the EB did not do that and I powered all three to around 100 or so and all three felt like they pulled about the same and looking at 1/4 mile times it is not that big of a difference. About 1/2 a second for stock trucks with similar set ups, that is not that big when you are in the high 14's to low 15's. On top of all this I did not want to have to worry about the EB turbos and inter cooler. It was the problem with the trucks going into limp mode that steered me away from it. Don't get me wrong I love the idea of that power house but I am looking for longevity in a truck.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04...8-engines.html
Here is the stock dynos of all the engines did by Motortrend.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html
Here is PDF brochure of the canned SCT tunes. That last sheet shows the dyno for a canned tuned EB of 351hp and 436lb-ft at the wheels. Custom tunes will return a lot more power. Of course not all dynos are the same and results will vary depend on many conditions and on how generous the dyno is.
http://www.sctflash.com/PDF/SCT_Ecoboost.pdf
Last edited by Al Kohalic; 12-10-2013 at 11:20 PM.
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12-10-2013, 10:19 PM
#43
Senior Member
I bought a 12 Eco and had problems with it. It had 3.31 gears. Traded on a 13 5.0 with 3.73 gears. The 12 Eco out pulled the 5.0 on any hill loaded or empty. Even my wife said the 5.0 was a dead sled. Yes it did sound a lot meaner but sound isn't everything.so I traded it in on a 13 Eco with 3.73 gears. This truck rocks, tons of power and a little better mileage. So I'm sold on the ecoboost. All the trucks are XLt 4x4 screws.
12-10-2013, 11:15 PM
#44
2012 F150 ECOBOOST Fx2 Fully loaded 3.15
FloMaster Pro cat-back, K&N CAI, Husky floors mats
Southern Speed inc T4
*Best quarter mile* Stock 14.53 *Tuned 13.52@ 101.52
13.54 @ 104 SpeedyPetey 2011 screw 2wd 3.73 gears cai five star e85 tune magnaflow exhaust & 26 inch tall tires & awesome D/A. 13.54 @ 104
This is taken from the 5.0 forum. His set up looks similar to yours besides the gears and he is running the same times, almost.
12-11-2013, 12:00 AM
#46
Senior Member
I don't worry about the longevity of my turbos.
Oldbutgood, your arguments seem very familiar. Very similar to some others I've read here before. Hmmm.
Last edited by engineermike; 12-11-2013 at 12:04 AM.
12-11-2013, 08:44 PM
#47
First off It must be inconceivable to think that a company that is in business to make money would de tune the cheaper engine to make the more expensive and the companies new name sake seem more appealing. I must be an idiot to ask that question. Second off I have looked for anyone that has put 500 ft-lb to the ground with just a tune. I found a company that did after a 93 tune, new race inter cooler and a cat back exhaust. And with that it is putting the boost to the 18-20 lb ball park. They did 520 lb-ft of TQ and 353 hp to the ground which is extremely impressive. According to this company the exhaust alone gives it almost 100 lb-ft of TQ which is awesome. Then I found a 5.0 putting down 432 hp and 424 TQ but that is probably B.S since he is only at 6 lbs of boost with no other mods.
http://www.full-race.com/articles/fu...no-testing.php
http://www.f150online.com/forums/mem...fe-catback.jpg
And finally the 1/4 mile thing, what I was simply trying to get at is that at 15 seconds it is not hard to shave off a 1/2 second a few bolt ons and a good launch will get you the half second. When you get down to running 11's or 12's it takes a whole lot more. That is all I was saying. Not at all trying to belittle your truck, I was not trying to offend any one. Boost is boost it is hard to compete with a boosted truck. Trust me my brother has a boosted 6 in his truck and yes his is faster then mine and can pull a hell of a lot more.
http://www.full-race.com/articles/fu...no-testing.php
http://www.f150online.com/forums/mem...fe-catback.jpg
And finally the 1/4 mile thing, what I was simply trying to get at is that at 15 seconds it is not hard to shave off a 1/2 second a few bolt ons and a good launch will get you the half second. When you get down to running 11's or 12's it takes a whole lot more. That is all I was saying. Not at all trying to belittle your truck, I was not trying to offend any one. Boost is boost it is hard to compete with a boosted truck. Trust me my brother has a boosted 6 in his truck and yes his is faster then mine and can pull a hell of a lot more.
12-11-2013, 10:21 PM
#48
Sorry I have been absent for a few weeks. Went and test drove all three engines about a week ago. Drove the EB FX4 with max tow and the same truck with the 6.2( that engine is a beast). They only had a few 5.0 but I was pretty impressed with it. Given the 5.0 has 3.55 gears and the other ones both had 3.73. I thought the 5.0 felt about the same as EB, and the 6.2 just put a big s**t eating grin on my face ( so the 6.2 was out, way to much fun). I bought a lariat with the 5.0 love it so far drove to Nashville and back about 500 miles and averaged 18.2 doing 80 or so, around town it hangs out around 14.5 to 15. But I am still getting use to the sound and the power so hopefully that number will go up. Thank to everyone that put their 2 cents in.
You are equating sound with power which, of course, the two are not related in any way, shape and/or form. The sound is what made your choice. No judgement at all, just telling it exactly like it is.
Enjoy your truck!!
12-11-2013, 10:38 PM
#49
Member
I have a 2010 with a 5.4 While the ecoboost is a sweet piece it sounds like there are still a few bugs to be worked out. While the eco goes like a bat out of hell, for a truck anyway, I prefer my truck to be as reliable as possible. I have had great luck with all my previous Ford V8 trucks and would hands down go for the 5.0 if I were replacing my truck today. Just my 2 cents.
12-11-2013, 11:02 PM
#50
Hahaha. The EB is the strongest of the 3 engines, by far.
You are equating sound with power which, of course, the two are not related in any way, shape and/or form. The sound is what made your choice. No judgement at all, just telling it exactly like it is.
Enjoy your truck!!
You are equating sound with power which, of course, the two are not related in any way, shape and/or form. The sound is what made your choice. No judgement at all, just telling it exactly like it is.
Enjoy your truck!!