Riccochet

Yup. Second truck. I shouldn't have to lose $7k because Ford doesn't want to fix my truck.

RLXXI

Any one here old enough to remember the Thunderbird SC ? It was a 4 cylinder turbo charged piece of crap. When it ran it ran great, but most of the time it ran like **** and they discontinued it. I truly feel bad for all the ecob owners having issues when such a major investment is made and you're afraid to use it.

Looks like Ford didn't learn it's lesson.



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engineermike

Not only am I not afraid to use my ecoboost, I'm also old enough to remember the Tbird SC. I remember it a little different than you, though. The Tbird SC was a supercharged v6 POS that was a terd, didn't take well to modifications, and blew head gaskets like crazy. The earlier Tbird TC was a turbo 2.3 that was very reliable and easy to modify. I also remember some turbo v6's from that era that were very reliable and made crazy power with only minor mods.

KILOFINAL

Maybe write a letter to this Ford guy. He feels that the EB has been a tremendous success.


Interview: Ford's Doug Scott On Impact of EcoBoost, Future of Pickups

Atlas as Customer Feedback Tool, Possibility of Unibody Trucks
April 30, 2013
By Edward A. Sanchez











When it was unveiled at the 2013 Detroit Auto Show, the Ford Atlas Concept caught the eye of many a journalist, as well as those of Ford's competitors. The Atlas' dramatic debut was seen by many as a calculated move to steal thunder from GM's introduction of the new 2014 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra. But Doug Scott, Ford's Truck Group Marketing Manager, said the unveiling of the Atlas in Detroit was planned well in advance of any knowledge of GM's announcement of trucks' debut.

Now that the cat's out of the bag, figuratively-speaking, Ford is making the most of its latest concept truck, using it as a customer feedback tool to validate that the brand is on the same wavelength as its customers in regard to product features and attributes. "When you've spent that much money, you might as well get it out there," he said. "That's what you're trying to do with a concept vehicle, is get people to react to it, so you understand what do they like, what do they not like, what are those opinions. We're paying attention to all that feedback."



Unexpected Success





Following the success of the EcoBoost V-6 in the F-150, Scott is confident that Ford is in tune with its customers. Initial internal forecasts for the take rate on the EcoBoost were in the low 20 percent range, with Ford having an all-V-8 F-150 lineup just prior to the engine's introduction, its dealers and customers both emphasizing the importance of a V-8 offering the lineup. But Scott said he thinks it was in some ways a case of "you don't want what you don't know."



"We put some of our key dealers from Texas and other major markets in some early development mules of the EcoBoost, and they were amazed when they realized it was a V-6," Scott said. "There was still some nervousness that we'd be able to hit that low 20-percent number. In less than a year, some of the same dealers asked somewhat tongue-in-cheek, 'Why do we still have the 5.0-liter?' They didn't see [the EcoBoost's popularity] coming, and didn't expect it to be so successful. Last year, the product mix was 43 percent EcoBoost. Everybody was surprised."

Of course, success always makes you a potential target. GM and Chrysler are wasting no time in comparing their new V-8 powertrains to Ford's high-tech turbocharged six. Scott said that as much as Ford's cross-town rivals may be thumping their chests about their V-8 fuel economy, they're hedging their bets with powertrains similar to EcoBoost in development. "I'm sure we're going to hear 'this is a V-8, not a V-6' when the 2014 GM trucks come out, and when the Hemi gets the eight-speed, but the point is, both GM and Chrysler have their own versions of a GTDI (gasoline turbocharged direct-injection) engine coming within the next few years."




Read more: http://www.trucktrend.com/features/c...#ixzz2S6O5CRU9

Riccochet

No one is saying it isn't a good engine.

packplantpath

You 5.0 owners better hope that the eco isn't a complete bust. Ford has sold a ton of them and if they all go bad the shops will be so backed up you won't be able to get your oil topped off



BTW, for any sadists out there, our old buddy RRSKINNER has cropped up on one of the other forums as RRRSKINNER. Anybody want to guess what thread he decided to contribute to?

rbakerjr

I ordered my 2012 Super Crew 4X4 Lariat EcoBoost just the way I wanted it and took delivery May 30, 2012. Around mid August of 2012 I had the same issue others have posted about here (loss of power, shuddering). Not only was it dangerous on the interstate but it also left me feeling discouraged about my new truck...especially after reading posts on the internet. I took my truck back to the dealer, they ordered some parts (new air deflector) and frankly I don't know what else they did but I haven't had the problem again. I know it took the perfect storm of conditions to cause the issue: steady cruising on the interstate, humid or wet conditions, then a sudden need for power, but I have not been able to re-create the problem. I can only hope and assume mine has been fixed. I'm like other posters, though. I had believed that ALL these engines were affected and that it just took the right conditions to cause the failure. Now I'm not so sure.

Shortly after I had my issue I noticed that Motor Trend had a long term F150 equipped almost identically to mine. I wrote them about my issue and asked if they would try to duplicate the conditions with theirs. I had forgotten all about sending the letter and then when my (I think) December issue came I read a letter that sounded like mine in the letters to the editor...it was my letter. Anyway, they said "We're on it". I have not heard any other response from editors or readers.

I know it's discouraging for those of us that have had this issue and even though we see a lot of posts here, Ford is selling about 300,000 of these a year and they have over 1,000,000 on the road. If all engines were affected, I think we'd be hearing a whole lot more fuss.

I don't know if this helps anybody, these are just my thoughts.

NASSTY

He showed up on another forum that I'm on. Me and him had a little scuffle, the thread got locked down and I haven't seen him post since. That was 2 weeks ago. Maybe he got banned??

RLXXI

The way I remembered things may be skewed due to the fact I worked at the dealer and saw multiple failures where anyone else would not, I mean why take your new car to the dealer if it ain't broke or due service?

My memories of that 2.3 SC is it was a piece of junk.


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engineermike

If you worked at the dealership and knew what was going on, then you would also know it wasn't a 2.3 "SC". As I said in my other response, it was either a 3.8 SC or a 2.3 TC, but not a mix of the two.

I've been fooling with turbo cars for years and have never heard bad things about 2.3 TC reliability. Now...5.4 spark plugs and cylinder heads are a different story.