5.0 UPR vs RX Catch Can Effectiveness Test
06-10-2014, 09:57 AM
#171
Just wanted to clear the air. UPR has been selling oil separators since 2005 and had a company make them private label for us. We were selling them for years before they really caught on because of increased awareness. We then decided to build the unit we carried ourselves and refine it. After careful thought it was determined that the UPR catch can needed to be modular so we could upgrade them and offer mating items for vehicles with more demands on the system.
Meaning Turbos Blowers Nitrous and Big Cubic inches. We had always ho the extension available and just never marketed it. The biggest refinement we made was the UPR Diffuser to allow for proper coalescing, to drain away the oil mist and vapor with the stepped levels and larger collection area. After testing our design to find any area that would improve its performance. I have read so much and about people testing catch cans and done quite a bit ourselves on seeing how any media near the outlet / return allows oil to travels. Not a lot, but any is enough to revise the setup.
Keep in mind that this is not as critical on vehicles that have the catch can mounted remotely where it's can stay cool. The cooler the can the more efficient it will be, the hotter the can the less efficient it will be. This is why the RX catch can is mounted where it can maximize its efficiency and take advantage of airflow. If you mount your UPR catch can in the same location as the RX catch can you will see a huge difference in its ability to contain unwanted liquids from entering your intake. The next step for people that already have a UPR catch can is to remove the SS filter media from the outlet / return side of the UPR catch can.
Then you can further improve its performance with a UPR catch can extension and for even bigger improvements you can install a UPR catch can diffuser. I am very open minded and welcome change and continuous improvement at all times. That is why we will be offering braided and standard hose upgrades in whatever length you select so you can pick the location you would like to mount it for the best performance. I welcome TB and his suggestions and think people like us are the driving force for continuous improvement with great products.
We are even changing the size of our draincock to allow this cocktail of unwanted fluids and water to be drained easier. This is not a solicitation in any way I just want to keep the community and the enthusiasts that enjoy these discussions and tests up to date with the latest and greatest. We also have 2.75 inch and 3 inch catch cans that we have been finish up and even have 3.5 inch and 4 inch models almost completed for applications that require the additional volume. We have gotten the same results with the catch can extension as we have with larger diameter testing.
The main reason for the size is the colder climate and vehicles that require a large capacity unit to handle the fluid and trash they produce. High horsepower vehicles switching from open breathers to a sealed system require the capacity. Thank you everyone for always contributing and seeking a better mouse trap as this is what pushed me into developing improvements to deliver vastly improved products our fellow enthusiasts.
Wayne:
UPR offers a 1.5 inch catch can extension to fit the diffuser perfectly and a 3 inch for flat out added capacity. The best location for a cool running catch can and the 1.5 inch diffuser on a mustang is on the driver side between the fender and the brake master cylinder.
You will need longer hoses to mount it in this location. Hope this helps.
Meaning Turbos Blowers Nitrous and Big Cubic inches. We had always ho the extension available and just never marketed it. The biggest refinement we made was the UPR Diffuser to allow for proper coalescing, to drain away the oil mist and vapor with the stepped levels and larger collection area. After testing our design to find any area that would improve its performance. I have read so much and about people testing catch cans and done quite a bit ourselves on seeing how any media near the outlet / return allows oil to travels. Not a lot, but any is enough to revise the setup.
Keep in mind that this is not as critical on vehicles that have the catch can mounted remotely where it's can stay cool. The cooler the can the more efficient it will be, the hotter the can the less efficient it will be. This is why the RX catch can is mounted where it can maximize its efficiency and take advantage of airflow. If you mount your UPR catch can in the same location as the RX catch can you will see a huge difference in its ability to contain unwanted liquids from entering your intake. The next step for people that already have a UPR catch can is to remove the SS filter media from the outlet / return side of the UPR catch can.
Then you can further improve its performance with a UPR catch can extension and for even bigger improvements you can install a UPR catch can diffuser. I am very open minded and welcome change and continuous improvement at all times. That is why we will be offering braided and standard hose upgrades in whatever length you select so you can pick the location you would like to mount it for the best performance. I welcome TB and his suggestions and think people like us are the driving force for continuous improvement with great products.
We are even changing the size of our draincock to allow this cocktail of unwanted fluids and water to be drained easier. This is not a solicitation in any way I just want to keep the community and the enthusiasts that enjoy these discussions and tests up to date with the latest and greatest. We also have 2.75 inch and 3 inch catch cans that we have been finish up and even have 3.5 inch and 4 inch models almost completed for applications that require the additional volume. We have gotten the same results with the catch can extension as we have with larger diameter testing.
The main reason for the size is the colder climate and vehicles that require a large capacity unit to handle the fluid and trash they produce. High horsepower vehicles switching from open breathers to a sealed system require the capacity. Thank you everyone for always contributing and seeking a better mouse trap as this is what pushed me into developing improvements to deliver vastly improved products our fellow enthusiasts.
Wayne:
UPR offers a 1.5 inch catch can extension to fit the diffuser perfectly and a 3 inch for flat out added capacity. The best location for a cool running catch can and the 1.5 inch diffuser on a mustang is on the driver side between the fender and the brake master cylinder.
You will need longer hoses to mount it in this location. Hope this helps.
06-10-2014, 10:44 AM
#172
The increase in hose distances is great for everyone to know. It may also explain why the fresh air side condenses back thru the Turbo into the CAC so readily for some with blow by and not having the Can removing it. It has 3 feet of rather large hose to cling too then the CAC itself.
06-10-2014, 11:34 AM
#173
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Joe, thanks for the info. I do like the extra size of the can with the extension, and the added diffuser. I know earlier you said the UPR's mounting system (behind the radiator) is the ideal spot on the F150, and now you are adding that it would make a huge improvement to move it out front where the RX mounts. Why don't you have the kit designed to mount the UPR out there? After trying to empty the extended can from it's position behind the radiator (and squeezed between hoses), it is a bear. Much more difficult for me to empty it compared to the standard can. I think you should recommend all of them to be mounted out front, especially if that improves it's ability to contain liquids. Again - thanks for posting on here and asking for feedback.
06-10-2014, 11:39 AM
#174
Joe, will UPR ever have an alternate mounting setup for the F150 5.0 can? I know the current location isn't 'terrible' but I'm not a huge fan of the can extension having to be snug up against the radiator hose like that and I know there are places in the bay that would keep the can cooler. If UPR had a mounting system that put the can up front like the RX, I would be very interested.
Last edited by jgiddy; 06-10-2014 at 11:43 AM.
06-10-2014, 11:57 AM
#175
Just a thought to get more participation on here. Let's see who can come up with the cleanest and simplest location and mount for us to produce. Many minds are much better than one. The help would be greatly appreciated and I would be very interested in the results across the board !
06-10-2014, 12:19 PM
#176
I received my new diffuser from UPR today. I installed it in the can that I took off my car. I also took out the SS mesh on the exit side as was suggested here.
I'm leaving on vacation Sunday and we will be driving one of the Mustangs on this trip. I will probably be putting the UPR can that I just put the new diffuser in on whichever car we take.
If we take the 07GT, even though it has the 4.6L in it, it still seems to pull quite a bit of oil to the intake. This car only has 16,000 miles on it and was starting to smoke on startup and is why we wanted to put a catch can on it in the first place. The 07 uses a different catch can part # than the 5.0 can but looking at both, the only difference I see is in the O-rings used. I'm sure that the 5.0 can will work on the 07 car just fine.
There is just no good place to mount the can with the extension on it on either cars so I don't think it's an option for my application. I'm just going to have to use what will fit and see how it performs.
Wayne
I'm leaving on vacation Sunday and we will be driving one of the Mustangs on this trip. I will probably be putting the UPR can that I just put the new diffuser in on whichever car we take.
If we take the 07GT, even though it has the 4.6L in it, it still seems to pull quite a bit of oil to the intake. This car only has 16,000 miles on it and was starting to smoke on startup and is why we wanted to put a catch can on it in the first place. The 07 uses a different catch can part # than the 5.0 can but looking at both, the only difference I see is in the O-rings used. I'm sure that the 5.0 can will work on the 07 car just fine.
There is just no good place to mount the can with the extension on it on either cars so I don't think it's an option for my application. I'm just going to have to use what will fit and see how it performs.
Wayne
Just a thought to get more participation on here. Let's see who can come up with the cleanest and simplest location and mount for us to produce. Many minds are much better than one. The help would be greatly appreciated and I would be very interested in the results across the board !
Good post Joe.
Good post! I will dig up some links for you to other independent tests. Most when they take the challenge drop out after a week or two when they start to see the results (I assume they are either reps for the other cans or very loyal and dont want to post the results) and of course even though we have done all these tests for years here on most every can on the market, that is biased and cannot be used without criticism. (you can PM me for those test results)
There is one being performed right now with the same format and conditions using the Moroso oil separating catchcan, and I can get you links to it soon.
Excellent to see someone truly wanting to see this. Most will blindly purchase, see it catches some oil, and assume it is stopping all the oil. Few take the proactive steps UPR has to improve their product when faced with test results like this.....most take a combative stance and do nothing to improve their product, even when we offer free guidance on what and how to do so. Joe has stepped up to show they do care about providing the best and should be commended.
06-10-2014, 01:16 PM
#177
06-10-2014, 01:35 PM
#178
Senior Member
Good post Joe.
Good post! I will dig up some links for you to other independent tests. Most when they take the challenge drop out after a week or two when they start to see the results (I assume they are either reps for the other cans or very loyal and dont want to post the results) and of course even though we have done all these tests for years here on most every can on the market, that is biased and cannot be used without criticism. (you can PM me for those test results)
There is one being performed right now with the same format and conditions using the Moroso oil separating catchcan, and I can get you links to it soon.
Excellent to see someone truly wanting to see this. Most will blindly purchase, see it catches some oil, and assume it is stopping all the oil. Few take the proactive steps UPR has to improve their product when faced with test results like this.....most take a combative stance and do nothing to improve their product, even when we offer free guidance on what and how to do so. Joe has stepped up to show they do care about providing the best and should be commended.
Good post! I will dig up some links for you to other independent tests. Most when they take the challenge drop out after a week or two when they start to see the results (I assume they are either reps for the other cans or very loyal and dont want to post the results) and of course even though we have done all these tests for years here on most every can on the market, that is biased and cannot be used without criticism. (you can PM me for those test results)
There is one being performed right now with the same format and conditions using the Moroso oil separating catchcan, and I can get you links to it soon.
Excellent to see someone truly wanting to see this. Most will blindly purchase, see it catches some oil, and assume it is stopping all the oil. Few take the proactive steps UPR has to improve their product when faced with test results like this.....most take a combative stance and do nothing to improve their product, even when we offer free guidance on what and how to do so. Joe has stepped up to show they do care about providing the best and should be commended.
06-10-2014, 01:47 PM
#180
The issue is that this media works to trap and hold oil most as droplets and saturates until in then drips down to be contained for later disposal. So on the inlet side this works as intended. But if used on the outlet side (as all the smaller billet cans made by the 2 machine shops that make these for most all the brands you see) then it holds it against the outlet until it saturates to the point it is pulled right out and past the can. So Joe is correct in removing it to prevent this. Any of the cans with no designated inlet or outlet will have this issue. To emulate this, simply put a wet washcloth up to your mouth and suck on it....what happens? Now multiply that by 10 fold as the PCV system as a much higher rate of flow and suction so a design with media anywhere near the outlet will allow most of the oil to pass/be sucked, right through. Understand, few companies actually design the products they sell.....most are designed and manufactured by another company that may private label for 20-30 or more companies (especially catchcans). What is important here is Joe has taken the results and is making changes that will drastically improve the function and effectiveness where every other brand using these same can design take the opposite stance and get combative and threatening to those that actually take the time to test and show most cans catch such a small amount of what you should want stopping all, or nearly all of.
So, the two changes UPR is making are excellent and address 2 of the reasons for the results shown to date. Even if it doubles, or triples the effectiveness of the can the new parts are effeminately worth getting if you already have an UPR can.
Oh, and for those confused, this is the new user name for Tuner Boost as a supporting vendor...thats why the lack of post history.
So, the two changes UPR is making are excellent and address 2 of the reasons for the results shown to date. Even if it doubles, or triples the effectiveness of the can the new parts are effeminately worth getting if you already have an UPR can.
Oh, and for those confused, this is the new user name for Tuner Boost as a supporting vendor...thats why the lack of post history.