Used/CPO 2014 Raptor or wait for 2017 Raptor?
 

Thanks to many of the good guys here, I've decided to buy up to a Raptor vs. going down the normal f150 with upgrades or design packages. Just curious of the general opinion on going for a deal on a low miles, CPO 2014 Raptor or waiting potentially over a year for a 2017 and paying quite a bit more? Maybe even $20K more? Any guesses as to the delta between these two options in price? I'm leaning towards waiting and ordering one but the 2014's I've seen with low miles still look killer. If the difference in price isn't that compelling, then I would be apt to wait but if we're talking over $20K then perhaps the 2014 is the way to go...

Guessing a cloth seat supercab around 55 and a loaded super crew with all options around 63-65.

Do you want the newest and the best? Bear in mind that the first batch of new raptors will be bought up by the more $ than brains club at msrp or higher. Depending on your relationship with your dealer, it may be mid '17 before you can get one a few k under msrp.

My 14 sold in 3 days at 60k, so I'm not sure how much most 14s are going for.

I'd wait for the new one unless you need a truck sooner

When did you sell yours? Are you also waiting for a '17? I'm not in a huge rush but a nicely equipped, low miles, '14 Raptor is tempting. Plus, I want a crew cab with leather seats as a minimum. In terms of options, rear view camera is the only other option that I would want.

When will '17 Crew Cabs be released? Mid 2017?

Where are you finding a deal on a 14 Raptor? All the ones I have seen are priced way over new, for a used truck. Are you stuck on getting a 14 instead of an earlier year? Seems like it wouldn't matter too much if you are getting used if it was a 13 or earlier if the miles are low.

Check the payload on a Raptor if you haven't already. It is significantly lower than other F150 models. Something most salesmen won't mention.

There are so many factors that go into this. It's really personal preference. If you are doubting your purchase don't do it.

No deals found. List prices hover around $57-$62K, it seems. Agree, pretty much personal preference but am not doubting I want a Raptor. Just curious if folks are holding out for 2017 (trading or selling their Gen 1 Raptor) or going for a CPO gen1 Raptor given where the price points are.. I'm guessing Ford didn't list or forecast what their MSRP will be for the 2017 Raptors?

I'm guessing a 2017 will be around the list prices you mentioned, so better to wait.

A couple weeks ago I sold mine. No I'm not getting a '17 raptor. I didn't care for my '14 at all.

People that won't wait or don't want the new style are ponying up so I cut mine loose for much more than I bought mine for.

Ford has said new raptor next fall, as a '17 model.

I would wait for the new one if you really want one.

Cool... yea I think I'll wait also. Did I read that SCAB was being released before SCREW? Or are they being offered at the same time?

Yeah if you can wait, and you are cool with an eco boost, you are probably better off waiting. If a screaming 6.2L V8 appeals to you, buy now.

I doubt Ford will hold off on the SCREW Raptors this time. Dealers want SCREWs because they sell better and for more profit.

I've read the opinions on Eco vs. V8.... seems Ford has upgraded the engine but folks are a little skeptical on Eco-boost engines for Raptors. My only thought is that the new Eco engines should have better gas mileage otherwise not sure why they would abandon the V8 platform?

It will certainly have better mileage than the first gen Raptor. That's a no brainer. There just seem to be a lot of people who want to hear a big roaring V8 in anything that says "SVT" on it. I can't fault people for that line of thinking. I doubt Ford is going to change their plans either way.

One of the things I hated about my Raptor was the terrible mileage. The other was the piss poor payload, that limits what you can tow with it. Having an EcoBoost will almost certainly improve both those areas. These are all reasons to wait, by the way. I'm thinking maybe I will vote "wait" in your poll.

Makes sense.... I'm more the weekend warrior when it comes to offroad use. In the summer, i'll be driving on the beach quite a bit but during the work week, it'll be my daily driver (a bit much, I know haha). Thanks for voting!

The motor isn't what limits the Raptors payload and towing. It has a completely different suspension which is softer. Ecoboost doesn't improve this.

Yes, you are correct. I was thinking the ecoboost is lighter than the 5.0, thus freeing up payload. I understand the limiting factor on the Raptor well enough. Just got it confused as to which is lighter between 5.0 and 3.5EB. The aluminum body should help improve the payload though. But that would be true regardless of which engine they put in it.

I was seriously contemplating buying a raptor. A friend of mine bought one and they seem like such a pain in the @$$ for a normal person. What I mean by that is he uses his to go out in the mountains in California. Most people don't take a 60k truck and head for the mountains with it. The shocks are high performance shocks so he has to rebuild them or have them rebuilt and recharged every few thousand miles, his gas mileage is at about 10 MPG, and tires are 2 or 3 grand a whack. Don't get me wrong I love and appreciate a raptor, but to me it just seemed like a lot of costs that you don't know about in the beginning. He personally wishes he would have bought an ecoboost and put used raptor parts on the ecoboost from eBay as he went along so he could pick and choose what he wanted. However, I still have a special place in my heart for a raptor, I just can't afford one if it is going to the shop every time I turn around.

Factory Raptor coilovers/shocks are good for 50k miles - aftermarket are good for 50k as well unless you are REALLY beating on them, which you can't do 'in the mountains'. I get 14mpg and I'm running 37's and 4.88's. He must drive like an idiot to get 10.

Lots of second hand horror stories out there that don't reflect reality.

Interesting. Do you (and other Raptor owners) feel that TCO is a bit higher than a standard or upgraded F150? It would make some sense with the premium parts that standard wear/tear maintenance would be higher in cost. Thoughts?

I been around ford truck a long time and for the life of me I cant figure out what you mean when you said CPO.

Wayne

I kinda depends. It's a higher entry cost for say coilovers/bypass but you can rebuild them.

If you consider mods a sunk cost then throwing money away on a stereo is the same as throwing it away on suspension.

If you really use the suspension, then yes, it will be more expensive because you will break things. What's entertainment worth?

Nevermind I think I got it now! Certified Pre Owned?

Wayne

:thumbsup: About as many horror stories as there are guys that "were going to buy a Raptor but changed thier mind." lol

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I'd have that 2016 GT350R I was going to buy....but I changed my mind, the rear seat delete just wasn't practical. :whistling2:

You got it! :-)

Manufacturers are now in the business of "certifying" low mileage used cars and slapping an extended warranty then marking up the price. Not a bad thing all things being equal and viewed by many as a way to get a gently used car with a warranty.

Oh yeah I know about that, just bought my wife a new car and it wasn't a CPO. Simply asked the salesman to do the CPO check list which cost me nothing and with it being CPO the warranty went from 3/36 to 7/100(Powertrain) just for asking. I then upgraded the 7/100 powertrain to a full bumper to bumper for cheap!

Wayne

Lol, your buddy is lying to you. 12 is realistic. I see 14.5 combined. Shocks on road don't have to be rebuilt until 50k miles. And tires are about a grand-1200. That's $300 a tire (lots are less). I don't know what terrible information you've been given. Oh, and most brand name AT/MT tires with a 20" wheel size are the same price as the 35" raptors. I've had two ecoboosts, and if I have a choice, I won't be back in one.

Damn it!!! I am almost having regrets about not buying that sexy ass black raptor that I was looking at! I might be looking at some different options when the 2017 model rolls out

6.2 ... 'nuff said :)

A newer Raptor might get better mileage (maybe), but I doubt the payload will be that much better if the suspension is still "soft off-road" tuned. The lighter body will likely add 200-300 lbs of payload, but nothing massive.
It will still have big tires, big fender flares, be a somewhat impractical DD, but a kick-ass-looking truck...
I don't think I'd have a Raptor as my main vehicle, but if I were to get one as #2, it'd be a 6.2. Go big or go home, right?

and to be frank, I am at ~ 15mpg lifetime average with the EB, maybe 60 city / 40 hwy, how much worse can it really be with a Raptor ;)

I'm surprised used prices are still so high though, I'm scared to see the CAD prices here :(

I routinely get 15.5 L/100 km (17.5 Imp mpg) city/highway, even better with pure highway, usually as good as 14.0 L/100km (20 Imp mpg).

I'm OK with that. :thumbsup:

Made a trip to Edmonton the other day, 60 mph headwind all the way, 17.5 f'in L /100 km pure highway :cry: 13.5 mpg :(
all that to say that there is so much variation between each truck & engine combo, basing a decision on mileage only is like playing the lottery... hope for the best and see what happens!

If you're seriously interested in a deal on a 2014 with some minor mods, take a look at my sister in law's raptor. Just dropped the price to $53k.

https://www.f150forum.com/f58/fs-201...da-54k-313906/

Price is a little ambitious on that one.

Check your facts... Full NADA retail on a used loaded 2014 with that mileage and options is almost $57k.

Meh, no facts, just opinion. No offence intended.

Put it into context, the guy you put your suggestion to is Canadian, and for us to buy that truck it would be 20% more, probably closer to 25%, plus applicable taxes, which puts it just about at cost if you bought new.

Paying brand new price on a year old truck with 40000km is ambitious IMO, hence my comment.

Then again, not like you can go and buy one new, but hey, if someone offered me $70000cdn for mine, I'd take it. lol

No offense taken.... I never saw it mentioned that the buyer was in Canada. Again, the price is in line with the market. It just depends what side of the border you are on!

On the flip side, if the dollar was at par like it was last year or so, $53k would be a darn good price, not ambitious in the least.

Thanks for taking the commentary in the right context, these days some folks get offended so easily its not funny.

there was a '14 supercab for sale near me for $38k with 14,xxx miles. It was Ruby Red though.....didnt look right.

I also test drove a Blue flame '10 with 68,xxx miles but it smelled like someone smoked a carton a day in it and it had surface rust on the rockers....and the tranmission clunked into 1st. They were asking $36k (supercab)

Are you looking for a crew? Hop on Autotrader.com and find one anywhere in the states good deals can be found. Make an adventure out of it.

I just bought a loaded 12 screw raptor with 34k miles for $41k. I would recommend buying a current gen Raptor rather than the new... The ecoboost is a huge liability. Been there done that.

Sold my 13 Raptor Race Red fully loaded earlier this year and purchased a 15 F350 Platinum. Loved the Super Duty, but miss the Raptor something terrible. Just sold my 15 F350 and now looking at a 14 Raptor loaded with all options. It has 13,500 miles on the clock and the dealer is asking $62K.

I'm on the fence of buying a 14 or wait on the 17 as well. The 14 makes more sense if the 17 are priced in the $65 + range. I also like the 6.2 SVT better than the ECO F150's I have driven.

DEFINITELY go with the 6.2. Speaking from experience, you are FAR better off with the 6.2.

Before we dive into the Ecoboost vs 6.2 please reference this thread starting at the bottom of Page 8 --> https://www.f150forum.com/f69/2017-f...286587/index8/

No offense to the ECO motors. I would purchase 3.5 or 2.7 in a regular F150, just prefer the 6.2 in the Raptor. No particular reason other than the old school coming out in me.

What about putting a 6.2 into the body of a 2017 Raptor? I really like the look of the new body style.

Just not part of the overall strategy for Ford from what I can see...

I voted 17' based on a few items and what I've seen on the 15's:
1. 360 deg cameras (I am also hoping they can be enabled with less hassle than the current model)
2. Quieter truck
3. Bed lights and tailgate locks built in
4. Better interior storage
5. I 'think/hope' the productivity screen will be better - tire air pressure, various other views and I really hope they get the breadcrumbs working better 12 and earlier was good, 13' on sucks...
6. Hoping the more intelligent traction control settings will be as good as the claims are, although I've been getting better at disabling/putting it into sport mode to help....

Between my wife and I we have 3 3.5L Ecoboost's. We are very happy with them. I like my 14' Raptor a lot and have used it for ~40% off roading on the mileage that's on it, but the noise gets annoying between the exhaust drone and the engine noise at higher RPM. If I know I am going off road I take the Raptor since I have it. When driving on road I'll take the Eco most of the time. Sure the Raptor has the cool factor of a lot of people commenting/checking the truck out when driving in town :D so I will take it for such reasons every so often. I will admit, since adding sound deadening to the Raptor I have driven it more often now when I go to town.

The Eco's are just so much quieter. I really hope if they do put in the 'fake' engine noise over the speakers there is a way to disable it. Wife had a 12' Lincoln MKT with the 3.5L Eco, that car was quiet and a real pleasure to drive. We upgraded to a 14' MKT same engine and features and I am convinced it's fake engine noise piped in over the speakers and it is annoying and the 14' is a much louder car to drive.:mad:
My 12' Lariat for on road driving is more of a pleasure to drive than my 14' Raptor. I haven't tuned the Raptor yet, but the 12 3.5L tuned is a much quicker truck than the Raptor. Even w/the stock tune the 3.5L seems a touch quicker. Adding sound deadening to the Raptor has helped a lot with the noise concerns.

I am not going to run out and buy a 17 but I very well may keep my 14 and buy a 17 if funds allow....else just wait for an 18.

Likely what I'll do is a serious test drive of the 17 and even wait a bit to get reports back overall before I buy a 17. Maybe even go back to VORE as long as they have a 17 to do a real test drive.

My main concerns with the 17 are:
1. Ecoboost Turbo's and engine holding up to the off road dust and added heat of off road driving.
2. The low end torque of the 3.5L Eco and the sensitivity of the throttle. Far too easy to break the tires loose on the 3.5L Eco vs. the 6.2L. Many times off roading I just want to crawl up something and not spin the tires...
3. The 10 spd transmission rumors...it'll probably be fine, but definitely like to see some mileage....

The other thing is if your going to tow at all, yes I know the Raptor wasn't built for towing, but the 3.5L Eco wins hands down compared to the 6.2L. Towed the same loads and roads with both my 3.5L and 6.2L.

I'm meaning do an aftermarket engine swap.

Got it but I think with all the technology dependencies, this wouldn't be very practical but I'm not much of an aftermarket guy either.

The only real issue I see with engine swaps is the same problem with swaps on the Gen 1. Nobody has come up with a way to do the swap without losing all the electronic goodness that is specific to the Raptor (ORM, etc...). If a swap is going to cost you the Raptor unique goodies, might as well start with a much cheaper platform.

If I could keep all my Raptor specific electronics / capabilities and swap I'd have a 700+hp LS7 in mine.