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Old 03-10-2012, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by primalurges
Hey were you able to see the manifold crack before you took everything apart and if so where was it in your manifold? Also why are these manifolds so difficult to remove? Are the bolts tight, tool clearance, too many hints in the wAy? Every post I read seems to indicate this job is a bit of a bear and I'm just wondering what the cause is?
I couldnt see the crack in mine till I got the starter out. The reason its a PITA changing them out is due to the tight clearances and rust. Sometimes the studs will break causing the manifold to leak. If thats the case, good luck.

Heres my write up on the job- https://www.f150forum.com/f4/05-5-4-...w-pics-142450/
Old 06-21-2012, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Battlecatt
Hello all,

I just read through this amazing thread and have some questions of my own as far as the VCT goes.

Short story long: I have a 2005 F150 extended Cab FX4. I have had the truck for 1 year and two months. This rig has ALWAYS sounded like a diesel at idle with the constant "tick tick tick." It had 74 thousand miles on it when I bought it (at a used car dealership) and it now has 124,789 miles.

The day I bought it and drove it home, I had to return to the dealship as it began miss-firing badly. They had it for 3 days before they announced that they had to send it to a FORD garage because they broke 3 spark plugs while trying to replace them. I ended up without this truck for a week and a half before I got it back. It ran great until November of last year when the #8 cylinder began miss-firing while driving from Virginia to NY. A quick stop at an Autozone...$46.00 and a new coil pack fixed that.

On Monday (2 May 2011), while returning home in the evening after a trip down from NY, as I approached a stop sign, the truck went crazy! RPM's dipped to almost zero and the truck began to shake like mad. It sounded like a Kentworth and stalled out. I threw it into neutral and started it. It fired right up and drove fine until I slowed to pull into my drive way. It dieseled again and I had to restart it 5 times to get it all the way into my driveway.

The next day it died twice on my way to work. twice on the way home that night. I stopped at Jiffy Lube for an oil change. (I normally do this myself but I had to take this truck to Dayton Ohio the next day to attend a wedding, so i was pressed for time) While I was there, i had the Tranny flushed, filter/screen changed and a full Fuel System cleaning.

The truck died twice in the parking lot of jiffy lube when I went to leave there. Once I got out on open road, it ran just fine. That is until I came to slow down for a turn into my local Wal*Mart. Stall Stall Stall.

No Check Engine Light or the little wrench symbol light at any time.

After a quick run in Wal*Mart, I decided to stop at the Autozone next door and have them do a code read. I dont remember the code number but it equated to "Cam Position Sensor."

The next morning, on my way to work, in the pouring rain on I-95 near the DC Beltway, it died 9 times. I went to a Midas, they had it for 3 hours. They confirmed that BOTH "Cam Position Sensors" were faulting out. That afternoon i took it to my local mechanic and left it with them to replace both sensors, while I rented a car and drove to Dayton.

I picked the truck up this past Monday, 9 May 2011. It ran great for about 20 minutes then .... you guessed it...STALL STALL STALL (diesels like mad when it happens and only after the truck has warmed up and always when slowing to come to a stop.)

I was close to the Autozone so I whipped in there and had another code reading. This time it came up with:

P0012: VCT Timing, Bank 1, Timing Retard (its retarded alright )

So, after having read all this and a few calls by the Autozone manager to a mechanic at a local Ford Garage, the first thing he said was "Cam Phasers".

Since I sank a TON of money into this already, my trunk is now a glorified lawn ornament until i can get the cash together to have Ford fix it but in the mean time.....

Has anybody had this code come up on their trucks and if so, have you replaced the VCT and did it solve the problem?

I ask because after reading all the posts about the VCT's on these engines I am soooooooo hoping that I can get enough money together soon to order them from Ford and replace them myself. However, it woould help to know if anybody else did this and the timing issue was fixed as a result.

I really dont have the $1,600 to $2,300 that Ford is quoting to do the Phasers.

Thanks!

Battlecatt
Hope this helps someone.... and thanks to the this thread and a few other posts my 80k mile 2005 screw is

Prior to this the truck would rattle can a bit starting up and sound diesel'ish at idle.... everyone thought i had a diesel f150.

....I had the same problem 4 days ago- except my truck also had a P0340 code about the camshaft position sensor bank 1(passenger side). The CEL never came on, the truck would just rattle and die upon deceleration and I'd have to throw it into neutral to rev the engine at stoplights. This only happened after the truck was warmed up.

I made it to work in the morning...pulled the codes and spent 4 hours on the internet on how to fix it... after work it rattle canned to PepBoys for the CPS and the stealership for the VCT solenoid.

Got home put in the CPS, drove around the block and it still died. Still spitting out a P0340. Put the new VCT in...the old VCT looked good still- no sludge, the screens looked nice and intact. Cleared code drove around the block at least 5 times before it started to rattle can and die at stop signs. I was like wtf ... $$$$ for cam phasers, head rebuild, motor etc?

Got home and as a last resort I remember a post about cleaning the MAF sensor and throttle body... pulled the MAF from my 'dry filter' AEM intake, sprayed it down. Then pulled the throttle body. From the top the tb looked pretty clean...underneath, there was this black stuff all over. It was caked on to the point that I had to take some sandpaper to it in order to even make a dent in the stuff- finally was able to clean it all out. The throttle body didn't seam very smooth, so I might go back to it another day to polish it. put everything back together.

Cleared the codes, and as soon as I started it up ...things were beautiful....fired right up to 1200rpm, then settled to idle about 600rpm. No rattle can start, 90% of the diesel sounds were gone. Went through the battery relearning thing. The truck came alive on the test drive, better throttle response, the engine revved really really smooth and it hasn't stalled out yet!

I've rebuilt a number of engines and my thought of the minor ticks may be due to the fuel injectors(mention everywhere), exhaust getting old, or possibly the 3valve engines getting this black stuff going through the intake. I'll try the Seafoam stuff this weekend to see if the tick lessens once the intake is cleaner. I'll put in the VCT for the drivers side when it comes... maybe more of the ticking will go away?

Another cause of the junk in the throttle body may have been the oil build up from the AirForce One intake and then the 3 year old K&N intake- both were 'oiled' filters. Not saying that those filters were bad, but after 7 years the oil is what makes stuff gummy up the throttle body. I also think that the area behind the butterfly of the tb is not as smooth as it should be. Now I have a dry AEM Brute Force that'll hopefully keep it kleen and running another 80k miles.

Thanks!
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To buck,
Did you ever get your truck fixed? and how did you fix it?
thanks
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Good Evening everyone. I am a newbie and happy to be here. I joined this forum about a week ago and already it has allowed me to avoid a costly mistake. I was experiencing the symptoms described in detail on this thread and was told that it would cost $1,050 to repair. I read this thread and followed the instructions regarding the VCT Solenoids, which ultimately solved my issues. Thank you all for sharing your experiences.
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Hey guys. I have an 05 5.4 and had rough idling and the annoying ticking sound. Nobody ever really mentioned how loud it was, but it annoyed me. Guess not overly loud but i notice it. It never thew any codes, but would shutter intermittenly at idle. I ran some seafoam through the intake vacuum hose and added the rest to my gas tank. Was amazed at how much smoke and carbon it blew out the pipes. It really smoothed out the idle and softened the "ticking". This also made me believe it was an injector issue. I would suggest to run a few cans over a few weeks/months and check your results. Lots of posts and videos on how to do it. Cheap fix to getting a smoother running idle. Just a thought.
Old 07-16-2012, 10:25 PM
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seems to be a consistent set of problems with these engines and I have started a Facebook page ford cam phaser/engine failure.

I would really appreciate everyone with similar issues joining and posting their stories there so that we can accumulate enough data to encourage Ford to act responsibly. Ford is claiming my 150 with 80 000 km wasn't maintained properly which is nonsense and won't help me out at all. So I am gathering allies for a david vs. goliath match.

Never come between a woman and her truck!!!!

Look forward to hearing your tales of engine woe. Thanks so much for your participation.
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I joined this forum to tell my story. I bought my 05 screw 5.4 almost three years ago. I bought it from my local dealership. At the time, a good buddy of mine was the sales mgr. After I test drove it, (On a saturday) I told him I love it but it's making a horrible ticking/knocking sound. He said he would have them look at it. He called me the following Friday and told me to come by. He told me they replaced everything from phasers to cvt selonoids. He told me to take it for the weekend and tell him what I thought monday. It still ticked a little but not as bad. I told him that and he gave me a hell of a deal I couldn't pass up. I started using Mobil1 5-20 motorcraft filter and high test gas (93) right away at 43,000. Slowly over next few thousand miles the noise has dissapeared. It took about 20,000 miles for it to disapear but i'ts been gone for over a year and 1/2. Don't know if i'ts the combonation of the two or one of them made the difference but that's my experience. Mine just hit 80,000 yesterday and noise still gone.

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My truck has been making the noise but tonight on the way to work, it was acting like it was getting stuck changing gears. When I put it in drive to leave for work, it was like it was in neutral. As I was driving to work, three times it didn't change gears right way. I'm a woman, so I want to have some good information before I get ripped off by an garage.
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I just bought my 2005 King Ranch with 95k on the clock. Didn't notice the crappy noises till after I forked over the cash. Mine makes a ticking noise, a rattle at startup, and also a rattle on acceleration from a stop. Its really obvious at a drive thru. Someone on another website said that you can test your solenoids by disconnecting the wiring harness. If the noise goes away then the problem lies within the VCT solenoid. Has anyone proved or disproved this?? I disconnected the wiring harness from mine and the rattle noise on acceleration went away completely. The ticking at idle still occurred but was much less pronounced. I'm getting some solenoids this weekend and will report back with the results. I would like to know if this is a legitimate way to test the solenoids if anyone knows.
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Originally Posted by Shadetreeboy
I just bought my 2005 King Ranch with 95k on the clock. Didn't notice the crappy noises till after I forked over the cash. Mine makes a ticking noise, a rattle at startup, and also a rattle on acceleration from a stop. Its really obvious at a drive thru. Someone on another website said that you can test your solenoids by disconnecting the wiring harness. If the noise goes away then the problem lies within the VCT solenoid. Has anyone proved or disproved this?? I disconnected the wiring harness from mine and the rattle noise on acceleration went away completely. The ticking at idle still occurred but was much less pronounced. I'm getting some solenoids this weekend and will report back with the results. I would like to know if this is a legitimate way to test the solenoids if anyone knows.
Just replace your solenoids to the updated part number. The old solenoids are problematic for all of us. Read this: https://www.f150forum.com/f4/5w-30-o...30457/index24/
Read the whole thread for even more info about the tick...
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