Headers......
So are you saying that with most, if not all, LTH the o2 sensors are necessarily farther down the line? Meaning the primaries are longer then the original o2 location?
So it is not the addition of the headers necessitating a custom tune but the change in o2 location?
I also note that it says COULD and not will. Has this theory been tested and shown to result in incorrect mixtures? I don't doubt it as the theory is plausible, I just wonder if it has been proven.
So it is not the addition of the headers necessitating a custom tune but the change in o2 location?
I also note that it says COULD and not will. Has this theory been tested and shown to result in incorrect mixtures? I don't doubt it as the theory is plausible, I just wonder if it has been proven.
And there is no theory involved. It happens all the time. That's why there's a setting for it in custom tuning software called "O2 transport delay". The reason it says could is because every application is different. Example: car number 1 adds LT's and they push the O2 sensors back 6" from the stock location and car 1 experiences no issues. Perhaps due to the fact that while moved 6" the timing of the pulse and sensor read are still close enough to provide an accurate reading. Another example would be car 2 which adds LT's that push the sensors back 12". This results in an error code such as P1132 and P1151.
Another issue with LT installs that push the O2 sensors back is lack of heat. O2 sensors need temps above 600F to work properly. They have built in heaters which are also ECM controlled. If placed to far back in the exhaust system without telling the heaters to run longer you will get codes like P0135 - O2 sensor heater circuit malfunction.
Here's an excerpt from a tuning manual. The bottom of the page is regarding O2 sensor tuning.
Yes I understand that's it's the addition of the headers that pushes the o2 sensors farther away. As I said it must be out of necessity due to the length of the primaries. Is this common with our trucks? I have not run into this issue with any FWD cars I have built or tuned for ice racing. In these cases the o2 sensor was far enough downstream to not be affected by the addition of a header. I guess it makes sense since in a RWD vehicle the primaries must be significantly longer to all point towards the rear as opposed to FWD where they can all meet in the middle.
Yes it would be a theory as not all vehicles are affected in the same way. Is there a max distance in change? Is it related to compression?
Lots to think about here. Very interesting.
Yes it would be a theory as not all vehicles are affected in the same way. Is there a max distance in change? Is it related to compression?
Lots to think about here. Very interesting.
Not sure what brands you have looked at and quite frankly it's been a long time since I went header shopping. But i do know Dynatech specifies 2wd or 4wd. The headers are the same part number but the mid pipe is different. Stainless Works uses a mid-pipe that clears the transfer case and uses it on both 2wd and 4wd. This makes the most since as the 4wd kit can be used on the 2wd with no issue. There's really no point in making two different mid-pipes.
Yes I understand that's it's the addition of the headers that pushes the o2 sensors farther away. As I said it must be out of necessity due to the length of the primaries. Is this common with our trucks? I have not run into this issue with any FWD cars I have built or tuned for ice racing. In these cases the o2 sensor was far enough downstream to not be affected by the addition of a header. I guess it makes sense since in a RWD vehicle the primaries must be significantly longer to all point towards the rear as opposed to FWD where they can all meet in the middle. Yes it would be a theory as not all vehicles are affected in the same way. Is there a max distance in change? Is it related to compression? Lots to think about here. Very interesting.
And what you are saying about rwd verses fwd makes perfect sense as generally headers for fwd cars are not long and don't push the sensors so far down stream.






