The Final Repair Guide to 5.4 Cam Phaser Tick/Knock Sound
#851
I started this repair a few days ago, ive been working on it at night when I get off work. Last night I got the timing chain and guides and all off. I didnt think that you had to hold the cams while doing that, I havent removed the phasers yet but I did try to turn the passenger side phaser and it jumped one turn so I turned it back. Does anyone know if this could cause any problems with the timing and if so how to check to make sure the cams are in the right position. Any help would be awsome!
#852
test a bad phaser in 5 min
I read everything I could get my hands on about these cam phasers. After reading and digesting all I could I decided to unplug the connectors to the VCT solenoids. This disables the cam advancing feature on the engine. I drove the truck for about 100 miles highway and city. I no longer had the rough idol and diesel sound when pulling up to a light but there was a noticeable loss of power at about 1500 rpm and up. Also it felt sluggish on long uphill grades.
This gave me the confidence that it was in fact the phasers. With the help of this link i am now halfway through the job.
I found some rubbing marks on the inside of the timing case caused by a loose chain. This could have been made worse by unplugging the VCT solenoids so if you try the same test limit your driving.
Using the advice on this link I am changing everything from the solenoids to the crank timing gear, total so far $900.00+. Including sparkplugs. Thankfully the previous owner took the bath on that job and plugs came out without a fight.
Can't wait to start it up.
This gave me the confidence that it was in fact the phasers. With the help of this link i am now halfway through the job.
I found some rubbing marks on the inside of the timing case caused by a loose chain. This could have been made worse by unplugging the VCT solenoids so if you try the same test limit your driving.
Using the advice on this link I am changing everything from the solenoids to the crank timing gear, total so far $900.00+. Including sparkplugs. Thankfully the previous owner took the bath on that job and plugs came out without a fight.
Can't wait to start it up.
#853
Back in December I followed the instructions in this thread and replaced my timing chains, guides ,tensioners, VCTs, and phasers. I used the parts from RockAuto. Initially everything was good. About a month after I started getting a tick again from the passenger side so I took the valve cover off and looked for any bad lashers. None were found so I decided to drive the truck "as is". This truck is not a daily driver, it is only used for towing my trailer around. Well last week I get "Check Gauges" on the display. I turn the music down and my truck is knocking like crazy and I have no oil pressure on the gauge. I immediately pull over and get the truck towed home.
This weekend I tore it all apart. Broken chain guide on the passenger side, and it looks like there isn't any tension on the chain. Given the situation, I pulled the pan too. Not so easy on a 4x4, but I just had to unbolt the axle, not actually remove it. Glad I took the time to, the oil pump pick-up in plugged. This all happened with about 7K miles on the parts.
So my questions are... What would cause the chain to be this slack? I would assume the low oil pressure issue before I got it shut down, but that doesn't explain the broken chain guide (which I think caused the low pressure). And given all the debris, what if any oil passages should I be checking to ensure they are not plugged? I read earlier in this thread about oil passages in the head that could get clogged.
I am going with OEM oil pump and timing set this time around.
This weekend I tore it all apart. Broken chain guide on the passenger side, and it looks like there isn't any tension on the chain. Given the situation, I pulled the pan too. Not so easy on a 4x4, but I just had to unbolt the axle, not actually remove it. Glad I took the time to, the oil pump pick-up in plugged. This all happened with about 7K miles on the parts.
So my questions are... What would cause the chain to be this slack? I would assume the low oil pressure issue before I got it shut down, but that doesn't explain the broken chain guide (which I think caused the low pressure). And given all the debris, what if any oil passages should I be checking to ensure they are not plugged? I read earlier in this thread about oil passages in the head that could get clogged.
I am going with OEM oil pump and timing set this time around.
Last edited by schmack; 06-24-2013 at 01:04 PM.
#854
I recently did the whole phaser rebuild on my 05 fx4 with about 135k miles, changed the phasers, guides, chains, tensioners, tensioner arms, new seals and gaskets along with new spark plugs, truck ran great for about a week and then the phaser tick came back, I was heartbroken, after almost $1000 in parts and I am back to square one, I used all factory Ford parts . Anybody have any idea what couldve happened? I had my uncle do the work bc he is a master mechanic and knew all about these engines. I just want the rattle sound gone.
#855
also heartbroken
Truck ran 95% better after replacing all timing parts. The diesel sound would occasionally start than stop on it's own. Now its a few days later and i am getting codes on bank 2. I am going to swap the VCT solenoids. If the codes start coming up on bank 1 I know it's the solenoid. If not I will be taking everything apart......again.....can't wait.
I will be looking into the oil pan to see if I can see any debris. Also I plan to check oil pressure.
This sucks need the truck to tow trailer to Florida from NJ for vacation in 2 weeks.
OK thunder storm passed time to swap parts.
I will be looking into the oil pan to see if I can see any debris. Also I plan to check oil pressure.
This sucks need the truck to tow trailer to Florida from NJ for vacation in 2 weeks.
OK thunder storm passed time to swap parts.
#856
Senior Member
I really don't have the time to tackle this myself so I thought about trading the truck in for a car! I know, right?! I found a mechanic that is well recommended that quoted me $1200 to $1400 to do the job! Now I can drive her for another two years before the 2015s come out! I'll update once the truck is out of the shop.
#857
After swapping solenoids same codes popped up. I put an oil pressure gauge on the engine and found low pressure at idol (15-18 psi). New oil pump is in. Not easy to drop the pan to get to the pickup tube but i'm glad I did. The screen was partly clogged and pieces of the chain guide, from a prior repair, were in the pan. After I removed the oil pump I opened it up and found deep scoring on the inside. I hope this will fix the phaser problem. Should have it back together tomorrow.
#858
After swapping solenoids same codes popped up. I put an oil pressure gauge on the engine and found low pressure at idol (15-18 psi). New oil pump is in. Not easy to drop the pan to get to the pickup tube but i'm glad I did. The screen was partly clogged and pieces of the chain guide, from a prior repair, were in the pan. After I removed the oil pump I opened it up and found deep scoring on the inside. I hope this will fix the phaser problem. Should have it back together tomorrow.
whats normal oil pressure suppose to be on these engines ?
#860
After swapping solenoids same codes popped up. I put an oil pressure gauge on the engine and found low pressure at idol (15-18 psi). New oil pump is in. Not easy to drop the pan to get to the pickup tube but i'm glad I did. The screen was partly clogged and pieces of the chain guide, from a prior repair, were in the pan. After I removed the oil pump I opened it up and found deep scoring on the inside. I hope this will fix the phaser problem. Should have it back together tomorrow.