Dumb lift kit question
01-13-2010, 12:59 PM
#21
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Unfortunately the Bushwackers only come in the black plastic. You have to take them somewhere to PTM. I am thinking of changing my 2tone from silver to dark shadow grey, so my truck is really a 3tone right now. Lol. Front bumper and Bushes are Dk Gr, rest of my 2 tone is silver. another reason why I don't have pics up. But a friend is bringin her camera today so I'll get some up ASAP. Got my schedule cleared for the 22nd 
. I work and live on the west side of houston (Beltway 8 West & Westheimer Rd).
. I work and live on the west side of houston (Beltway 8 West & Westheimer Rd).
01-13-2010, 01:36 PM
#22
Yeah.. I thought the Bushwackers were that way. I would assume that the place you might choose to do the lift would do that as well. Anyway, I'll figure that out when I get to it.
Mine is 2-toned as well. I have the Dark Shadow Gray as the all over primary, and the silver down at the bottom of the body. Chrome bumpers. I was going to go with the Drk Shadow Gray Bushwackers to match the primary color.
When I come into Houston, I'm running I-10 to 6-10 west, then 45 north to Tomball area. Maybe we could meet up at 45, or possibly closer to your side. Just let me know and we'll swap contacts later.
Thanks man
Mine is 2-toned as well. I have the Dark Shadow Gray as the all over primary, and the silver down at the bottom of the body. Chrome bumpers. I was going to go with the Drk Shadow Gray Bushwackers to match the primary color.
When I come into Houston, I'm running I-10 to 6-10 west, then 45 north to Tomball area. Maybe we could meet up at 45, or possibly closer to your side. Just let me know and we'll swap contacts later.
Thanks man
01-13-2010, 02:02 PM
#23
Senior Member
Don't put a 6" lift on your 2wd. Thats a lot of weight without having 4wd. Do a body lift. Maintains factory steering feel. I'm runnin 35x12.5x20 Mickey Thompsons and prolly could go to 37's. I also have the rancho 3" lift (quicklift shocks in front, add-a-leaf) in rear, and I am higher, if not the same, then any and ALL factory 250's/2500's. Thats my 2 cents, feel free to return the change
Yes, I have a 2WD XLT Screw. This BODY LIFT raises your truck 3". The polymer spacers are HUGE. Well, huge for a spacer lol. The 5" lift that is the body lift AND the level kit + add-a-leaf. This is the setup I have. Rancho Quicklift 9000xl in front, 9000xl shocks + aal in rear. I pulled up to a stock 2WD to compare height... The bottom of my side mirror came to the TOP of his side mirror!! I had the level +aal for a while, but wanted that EXTRA height. Love it up here now!
Skull is right about these being a pain in the butt to install. Have to remove the seats, bolts go completely through. I had a local shop, offroadunlimited, install mine for 700 including tax. 4WP will do it for 800. And I felt power loss w/ the 35's and lift but I also have a stock 3.55 (precision gear 3.73 sitting in the closet
).
As far as the weight goes, we're 2WD so carry extra weight out a mudhole (i'm in texas and we have sticky clay) is a pain, hence why super duty's get stuck where 1/2 tons don't. The whole body lift is 50lbs. That stretched across the length of the truck is less than adding a toolbox in the bed!
I'll try to get pics up. I'm in mid-modifications but I'll post them anyways so you can see the lift. Looks much cleaner IMO cuz you don't see the crossmember to lower the control arms. IONO. Thanks for everyone's input. And thanks for the 2 cents back Skull31. Money is good here anytime!
Skull is right about these being a pain in the butt to install. Have to remove the seats, bolts go completely through. I had a local shop, offroadunlimited, install mine for 700 including tax. 4WP will do it for 800. And I felt power loss w/ the 35's and lift but I also have a stock 3.55 (precision gear 3.73 sitting in the closet
).As far as the weight goes, we're 2WD so carry extra weight out a mudhole (i'm in texas and we have sticky clay) is a pain, hence why super duty's get stuck where 1/2 tons don't. The whole body lift is 50lbs. That stretched across the length of the truck is less than adding a toolbox in the bed!
I'll try to get pics up. I'm in mid-modifications but I'll post them anyways so you can see the lift. Looks much cleaner IMO cuz you don't see the crossmember to lower the control arms. IONO. Thanks for everyone's input. And thanks for the 2 cents back Skull31
. Money is good here anytime!Yes, that is correct: 3" Body lift + Add-a-Leaf + Leveling kit = 5-5.5" of lift.
I topped at a 5" lift for a $700 install (that was for the Body LIft alone). The kit ran me $420 from ebay. I purchased my Leveling kit & AAL from 4WP ($350). The leveling kit is the Rancho Quicklift (RANRS999792 thats the 4wd part #, can't find the 2WD). This shock/strut has the spacer we're all adding, designed into the housing so its not 1 complete unit, rather then 2 bolted together. The shocks are 9-way 9000xl, both front and rear. Rear just are standard shocks. What saved me cash is that I did every install myself except the body lift.
I too have the 4.6L (don't worry, this block can be a beast if you know what to mod w/ ). I bet you even have the 3.55 gear. You said you are gonna run 35's, but unsure of the width. I had to put 1.5" Spacers on my truck after the lift so I could regain some clearance between the upper control arm and the inner tire (couldnt even get my pinky between them). I'm runnin 35x12.5x20. You won't NEED to regear but you will feel sluggish off the line after you get the added height and heavier tires. I opted to regear from my 3.55 to a 3.73. I know most guys are going to a 4.56 or 4.88 but I commute my truck. She goes to chicago once a year and I ain't gettin mpg on a 4.56 R&P. I wouldnt make it out of texas w/out 5 stops to fill up!
I don't know how you could fit a 10" rim over these rotors???? Did you mean 20? No prob on the info. Someone's gotta help us 2WD offroaders. Check out my groups! And ask anything anytime!
I topped at a 5" lift for a $700 install (that was for the Body LIft alone). The kit ran me $420 from ebay. I purchased my Leveling kit & AAL from 4WP ($350). The leveling kit is the Rancho Quicklift (RANRS999792 thats the 4wd part #, can't find the 2WD). This shock/strut has the spacer we're all adding, designed into the housing so its not 1 complete unit, rather then 2 bolted together. The shocks are 9-way 9000xl, both front and rear. Rear just are standard shocks. What saved me cash is that I did every install myself except the body lift.
I too have the 4.6L (don't worry, this block can be a beast if you know what to mod w/
). I bet you even have the 3.55 gear. You said you are gonna run 35's, but unsure of the width. I had to put 1.5" Spacers on my truck after the lift so I could regain some clearance between the upper control arm and the inner tire (couldnt even get my pinky between them). I'm runnin 35x12.5x20. You won't NEED to regear but you will feel sluggish off the line after you get the added height and heavier tires. I opted to regear from my 3.55 to a 3.73. I know most guys are going to a 4.56 or 4.88 but I commute my truck. She goes to chicago once a year and I ain't gettin mpg on a 4.56 R&P. I wouldnt make it out of texas w/out 5 stops to fill up! I don't know how you could fit a 10" rim over these rotors???? Did you mean 20? No prob on the info. Someone's gotta help us 2WD offroaders. Check out my groups! And ask anything anytime!
2wd's are about 2in.s shorter than 4wd's stock so a 3in. body lift on a 2wd will be like a 4wd with a 1in. lift. 4wds need at least 2in.s of lift to fit 35's on the STOCK wheels and then they still rub. if you add the body lift with a leveling kit then yes you could run 35's but with a 10in. wide wheel you are gonna rub bad. 4wd's with 6in lifts still scrub with 35's if the wheel is too wide and 37's is very bad even on a 4wd with a 6in. lift so 37's are out of the question.
the tallest body lift they make is a 3in.
yes with 37's you would want to regear but you can't fit them so it doesn't matter.
a 2wd with a proper lift kit does not have weight that it can't carry. they could go through more than a 4wd truck that has a lift kit but is in 2wd.
3in. leveling kits are bad for the geometry of the suspension.
most people don't regear for 35's and you don't have to but if they do they go up to 4.10's-4.56's for 4wd's but for 2wd's they make a 4.30 gear set which is perfect. most people use 4.56's or 4.88's for 37's and up.
hope this helps
01-13-2010, 02:22 PM
#24
ok well so far there have been a bunch of things false in this thread. lets start at the begining:
2wd's are about 2in.s shorter than 4wd's stock so a 3in. body lift on a 2wd will be like a 4wd with a 1in. lift. 4wds need at least 2in.s of lift to fit 35's on the STOCK wheels and then they still rub. if you add the body lift with a leveling kit then yes you could run 35's but with a 10in. wide wheel you are gonna rub bad. 4wd's with 6in lifts still scrub with 35's if the wheel is too wide and 37's is very bad even on a 4wd with a 6in. lift so 37's are out of the question.
the tallest body lift they make is a 3in.
yes with 37's you would want to regear but you can't fit them so it doesn't matter.
a 2wd with a proper lift kit does not have weight that it can't carry. they could go through more than a 4wd truck that has a lift kit but is in 2wd.
3in. leveling kits are bad for the geometry of the suspension.
most people don't regear for 35's and you don't have to but if they do they go up to 4.10's-4.56's for 4wd's but for 2wd's they make a 4.30 gear set which is perfect. most people use 4.56's or 4.88's for 37's and up.
hope this helps
2wd's are about 2in.s shorter than 4wd's stock so a 3in. body lift on a 2wd will be like a 4wd with a 1in. lift. 4wds need at least 2in.s of lift to fit 35's on the STOCK wheels and then they still rub. if you add the body lift with a leveling kit then yes you could run 35's but with a 10in. wide wheel you are gonna rub bad. 4wd's with 6in lifts still scrub with 35's if the wheel is too wide and 37's is very bad even on a 4wd with a 6in. lift so 37's are out of the question.
the tallest body lift they make is a 3in.
yes with 37's you would want to regear but you can't fit them so it doesn't matter.
a 2wd with a proper lift kit does not have weight that it can't carry. they could go through more than a 4wd truck that has a lift kit but is in 2wd.
3in. leveling kits are bad for the geometry of the suspension.
most people don't regear for 35's and you don't have to but if they do they go up to 4.10's-4.56's for 4wd's but for 2wd's they make a 4.30 gear set which is perfect. most people use 4.56's or 4.88's for 37's and up.
hope this helps
^^^^Ya sorry bout that,your right.Just saw the tire sizes i put on my post.Didn't relize i put 37's.I meant to put 34-35's.I dont really look when i type so mistakes happen.Thanks Dilloncawthon
01-13-2010, 03:12 PM
#25
Member
ok well so far there have been a bunch of things false in this thread. lets start at the begining:
2wd's are about 2in.s shorter than 4wd's stock so a 3in. body lift on a 2wd will be like a 4wd with a 1in. lift. 4wds need at least 2in.s of lift to fit 35's on the STOCK wheels and then they still rub. if you add the body lift with a leveling kit then yes you could run 35's but with a 10in. wide wheel you are gonna rub bad. 4wd's with 6in lifts still scrub with 35's if the wheel is too wide and 37's is very bad even on a 4wd with a 6in. lift so 37's are out of the question.
the tallest body lift they make is a 3in.
yes with 37's you would want to regear but you can't fit them so it doesn't matter.
a 2wd with a proper lift kit does not have weight that it can't carry. they could go through more than a 4wd truck that has a lift kit but is in 2wd.
3in. leveling kits are bad for the geometry of the suspension.
most people don't regear for 35's and you don't have to but if they do they go up to 4.10's-4.56's for 4wd's but for 2wd's they make a 4.30 gear set which is perfect. most people use 4.56's or 4.88's for 37's and up.
hope this helps
2wd's are about 2in.s shorter than 4wd's stock so a 3in. body lift on a 2wd will be like a 4wd with a 1in. lift. 4wds need at least 2in.s of lift to fit 35's on the STOCK wheels and then they still rub. if you add the body lift with a leveling kit then yes you could run 35's but with a 10in. wide wheel you are gonna rub bad. 4wd's with 6in lifts still scrub with 35's if the wheel is too wide and 37's is very bad even on a 4wd with a 6in. lift so 37's are out of the question.
the tallest body lift they make is a 3in.
yes with 37's you would want to regear but you can't fit them so it doesn't matter.
a 2wd with a proper lift kit does not have weight that it can't carry. they could go through more than a 4wd truck that has a lift kit but is in 2wd.
3in. leveling kits are bad for the geometry of the suspension.
most people don't regear for 35's and you don't have to but if they do they go up to 4.10's-4.56's for 4wd's but for 2wd's they make a 4.30 gear set which is perfect. most people use 4.56's or 4.88's for 37's and up.
hope this helps
01-13-2010, 04:38 PM
#26
Senior Member
This helps some but you fail to realize he is asking what height of lift he will gain on his 2WD. Again, his TWO WHEEL DRIVE. We are not comparing 4wd to 2wd at all. Adding 3 inches to his factory height is 3 inches. Who cares if it only equates to 1in on a 4wd? Second, I put 35's on my truck with just the level kit + AAL. You obviously have a 4wd and don't know the 2wd like you think you do. no offense, but I have wrenched on my truck every weekend since I got it. I have had the engine unmounted, cross members undone, etc. You CAN fit 37's on a Body Lift + Level + AAL but it becomes as tight as it would be if you just had a Level Kit + AAL and put 35's on (been there, done that). As far as a 10" rim goes, its all dependent on BS, which you should know already is why everyone gets rid of their factorys (some 6" susp. require new rims for that fact). And where is your facts to back up "3in leveling kits are bad for the geometry of the suspension". THAT is false more than anything that has been stated prior to your comments. If you're gonna claim something as false, I wanna see your articles or your FMC Technician Certificate. I OWN a 2WD so I KNOW what I am referring to. Have you even wrenched your truck, or do you take it some place to have someone else put it on for you? Not bashin, I just hate when ppl come in and think they know it all, when actually the topic is something quite different (you're talkin 4wd Lifts and we've BEEN talkin 2WD).
01-13-2010, 05:10 PM
#28
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But the info he is giving for 2WD is WRONG! How does that make it more helpful? He compares 2WD to 4WD and thats not even relevant. If it were, then how come 2WD parts are different then the 4WD parts, i.e. Racho QuickLift, Procomp 6" 2WD way different then the Procomp 6" 4WD, and thats the SAME COMPANY. I OWN a 2WD and talk from EXPERIENCE. He is talking from things he read from where ever. You don't see me posting talkin big about 4wd anywhere. Why? I DON'T OWN nor KNOW the 4WD's. You must be a friend of his... Guess I hurt both your feelings.
01-13-2010, 05:16 PM
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01-13-2010, 05:22 PM
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I can't say with certainty. The factory rims have such a horrible backspacing (BS) that most will require some sort of wheel spacer. Even 6" Suspension kits say you CAN NOT use factory rims because of the horrible BS. I have aftermarket rims w/ a small Neg BS and I could barely fit my pinky between the inner wheel wall and the upper control arm. Personally, if you are running a 3" body lift only, i'd recommend a tire size of 305/70/17 or a 315/65/17. Both are 33" tires. I know, not a 35