Warning don't use 4wd to help pull a boat out of the water!
09-13-2013, 03:48 PM
#281
Senior Member
Grew up 18 years on a farm/ranch in the middle of no where. Definitely not an "urban cowboy." Stuck in the city due to work.
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09-13-2013, 03:52 PM
#282
Senior Member
We do eat it up.... It's called marketing, and these trucks were marketed to pull a boat.
If I took my Ford, stacked a cheby in the bed, hooked one up to the back, and ran it up a boulder hill like in the video, is it covered under warranty? Or is the guy in the video you posted a total moron for using 4x4 in his situation.
You can claim all the 4x4 experience you want, but believe it or not, some people have been doing it longer than you, and in much harder situations than you. If you feel you are the 4x4 god, then you better start throwing down some examples of experience. So far I have heard you have a ****ty lunchbox locked heep and that's it.
Most of the people are looking at this analytically, and are coming to the same conclusion based on experience. The part that failed in this situation should not have failed. And after doing research on that part, it's obvious Ford has a defective design in that part of the system.
OP, I would not stand down from the dealer, make them fix it. If they say no, then make them prove that you broke it from abuse. A monkey behind the counter does not have a higher say than you do as to what happened.
09-13-2013, 04:05 PM
#283
I've had literally dozens of four wheel drive vehicles. Jeeps, trucks, Hummers etc. I am by no means a 4x4 expert, but, an MD, PhD and 50 years of experience on this lost planet gives me some credibility. There is the question of what is the right answer to..."why did it break?" And what is the " right thing to do?"
Yes, the pavement and the acute traction probably did it.
With a truck that is essentially brand new, the dealership should just fix it
There used to be a little lesson called..." Do the right thing"
It didn't have anything to do with who did what, your fault, my fault etc
That sadly has been lost and lost in this case as well. Now, it's all about saving face and passing the the buck. Perfect example on Pennsylvania Ave.
The guy could have very easily gone in there and told them here was leisurely going through some muddy field and heard a "bang" and leave it at that, and there wouldn't be a damn thing the dealership could say or do to disprove it. Would just have to eat it!
This guy goes in and tells the truth and he gets burned for it
The bigger issue for me
Anyway, you guys debate the physics and your member size all you want.
In the bigger picture, the dealer has not only done the wrong thing but lost a customer, I would imagine, for life.
JMO
Yes, the pavement and the acute traction probably did it.
With a truck that is essentially brand new, the dealership should just fix it
There used to be a little lesson called..." Do the right thing"
It didn't have anything to do with who did what, your fault, my fault etc
That sadly has been lost and lost in this case as well. Now, it's all about saving face and passing the the buck. Perfect example on Pennsylvania Ave.
The guy could have very easily gone in there and told them here was leisurely going through some muddy field and heard a "bang" and leave it at that, and there wouldn't be a damn thing the dealership could say or do to disprove it. Would just have to eat it!
This guy goes in and tells the truth and he gets burned for it
The bigger issue for me
Anyway, you guys debate the physics and your member size all you want.
In the bigger picture, the dealer has not only done the wrong thing but lost a customer, I would imagine, for life.
JMO
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09-13-2013, 04:40 PM
#285
Senior Member
We do eat it up.... It's called marketing, and these trucks were marketed to pull a boat.
If I took my Ford, stacked a cheby in the bed, hooked one up to the back, and ran it up a boulder hill like in the video, is it covered under warranty? Or is the guy in the video you posted a total moron for using 4x4 in his situation.
You can claim all the 4x4 experience you want, but believe it or not, some people have been doing it longer than you, and in much harder situations than you. If you feel you are the 4x4 god, then you better start throwing down some examples of experience. So far I have heard you have a ****ty lunchbox locked heep and that's it.
Most of the people are looking at this analytically, and are coming to the same conclusion based on experience. The part that failed in this situation should not have failed. And after doing research on that part, it's obvious Ford has a defective design in that part of the system.
OP, I would not stand down from the dealer, make them fix it. If they say no, then make them prove that you broke it from abuse. A monkey behind the counter does not have a higher say than you do as to what happened.
And you can claim to have more experience than I, that is the caveat of the interwebs! I know what I've said and presented is correct and accurate, I went off the OPs post and didn't just take bits and pieces and start calling people names. The Internet is a funny place, key board commandos and Internet tough guys. Lol, guys like you make me laugh. I love the fact that you call my Jeep a heep, you probably have a No Fear or Fear This sticker somewhere on your truck with a tacky set of truck nuts! Cute, at least I got a laugh today, thank you.
I also am looking at this analytically, I'm not using emotion which most are in this conversation. I know from MY experience offroading trucks, Jeeps, bikes, motorcycles and various other things with motors that things will break and do break and that in certain situations a weak link will be exposed. Is the mount on the diff housing, axle housing, or TC (still not sure as OP has listed 3 different ones now) the weak link that was exposed? Could be. I took emotion out if this from the beginning whereas most on here post up with their emotions and it should be a dealer thing and on Ford because its a new truck ect.
The fact remains, he was towing a 7000# (truck has 300 miles) boat uphill spinning all 4 when he caught traction and something broke ( his account not mine) and is pissed because dealer won't pay.
09-13-2013, 04:47 PM
#286
Senior Member
How is it different when they are all spinning and the front catches or if only the rears are spinning and they catch?
I can't believe you talk about hardcore offroading jeeps and then think an f150 transfer case will shatter like glass if a tire slips and then catches, lol! I realize you made your argument and have to keep defending it no matter how stupid it is but I think it's time to admit you were wrong because you are just making yourself look silly now.
I do hardcore offroad and I EXPECT things to break because of the situations I put my Jeep in, I don't blame anyone but myself if something goes.
As I've explained before, these are not bullet proof drive trains as some would believe, sometimes the weak link will be shown and with this guy pulling 7000# uphill, spinning tires and his fronts caught, that is a huge shock load to the drivetrain and something gave (still not 100% as OP has changed what broke 3 times now). Even your new 350 could have issues!
Yes I keep defending my argument as this is all very basic mechanical knowledge, I'm not reinventing the wheel here when it comes to how these systems work. People have the idea that because Ford markets these truck as invincible that they are when that is not the case at all.
I guess I keep defending my side with as much fervor as you do with the floormats and your old brush guard!
09-13-2013, 04:47 PM
#287
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09-13-2013, 04:51 PM
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09-13-2013, 04:53 PM
#289
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09-13-2013, 04:54 PM
#290
I'd bet 9 times out of 10 nothing breaks in this situation. And if anything did it would be a different part.
As a statistician in my day job i should remind everyone that low probability events happen every day. Especially in extreme circumstances!
Edit:stupid auto correct
As a statistician in my day job i should remind everyone that low probability events happen every day. Especially in extreme circumstances!
Edit:stupid auto correct
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