Adobe2X

This comment is just plain.....uninformed.
If you think that the EB has had teething problems, go over to any of the diesel forums. Between the cost of fuel, the soot traps, urea injection, 10 quart oil changes, repairs that cost 4 to 5 times more than a spark ignition engine's, mpg that has been decreased by 50% from just a few years ago because of the efforts to clean up the exhaust.......there is no longer ANY reason to buy a diesel to tow 9,000 pounds or less.
The EB does so effortlessly, and at much less initial cost, running costs and risks of long term expensive repairs.

DonTas

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Adobe2X

So then, yours is 3.7?

cthusker

For staters I don't have money to simply burn paying the up charge for a diesel. Second the operating expense/maintenance and repairs can be staggering. Check the diesel forums regarding issues with them. Aren't as trouble free as many would have you believe. 8000 lbs is WELL within the towing parameters of my Eco which does it with EASE as opposed to the 5.0. I've used them both and for towing it's not even a close call. Why do you think Ford produced the Eco anyway? Simply for fuel economy? NO!! It's a GREAT towing engine for anything under 10000 lbs imo.

I'm not a big diesel fan to start with but needed a truck that could tow reasonably well, offer decent mileage and was QUIET! Unhook my trailer and it's a comfortable and QUIET road vehicle. Those have need for towing more weight should step up to a diesel and pay the premium. There are few if any engines that size in 1/2 ton pickups that offer everything the Eco does imo.

I suggested IF you aren't towing a lot then either engine is great! If you are towing a lot then it's not even a close call for anything that's tried them both!

Swingmaster360

Everything has problems I'm not saying they don't but to compare a diesel to ANY gas engine is not even comparable, we are talking double the ft/lb, I am just asking because I don't care what engine is in the truck they all have the same trans and springs and rear end .. And every time I see an ecoboost towing a 26 foot trailer it is dragging its *** end.. I have towed heavy stuff with my truck for short periods of time, and I can guarantee I could out pull any ecoboost, but my truck still looked stupid doing it..

Swingmaster360

And this guy... I'll just say an ecoboost is like a 65 year old man, stuck in limp mode half the time .. Don't fish around to justify you have the most unreliable of the newer engines ..

brihvac

I couldn't stop laughing after reading this. Especially since my last truck was a Cummins.
I have to paste the link to this over at the Cummins forum. They will get a kick out of it

snobdds

Why is that funny to you. It makes it peak torque around 2200 rpms. A diesel is not far off. It doesn't have to be in the 5000 + rpms to make it's peak power, like a diesel.

This is a pretty well known fact, not just my opinion.

Maybe understand physics first before you look like a total tool.

Adobe2X

Well, if you don't have your weight distribution hitch properly set up, the tongue weight could lower the rear of your 1/2 ton truck too much.
And "double the torque?" --- you don't need 800 ft pounds to tow less than 9,000 pounds -- properly set up with a good WDH. And unless you go 1 ton or higher, the added weight of the 3/4 ton truck itself doesn't add that much to the overall GVWR.
The current crop of diesels are not ones I'd touch with a 20 foot pole, unless I had a 40 foot 5th wheel......

Adobe2X

Is anyone talented enough to put the EB torque curve's SHAPE on top of the Cummins, and the new FIAT diesel in the 1/2 ton Ram? I'll admit up front that the Cummins is a monster -- I am only talking at first about the SHAPE of the curve and where max torque occurs.
I am willing to bet that the SHAPES are the same, and that the EB even kicks the FIAT engine's butt.

And here is a sample post from the Cummins forum......

Does anyone know of a class action filed against Dodge and/or Cummins relating to the 6.7L Cummins diesel? Issues regarding too frequent oil change interval, increasing oil level in crankcase, EGR and DPF issues etc.? I didn't spend $40K to buy a 2012 Cummins engine that calls (as per EVIC) for an oil change every 1500 miles. Then after changing oil finding the oil level rising with lab sampling that indicates fuel contamination. Or, I spend my time and money to go for a highway ride for 45 minutes to passively regenerate a DPF filter. Finally, have a dealership snub it's nose at my reguest to address theses problems. These notions were NOT mentioned to me when I purchased the truck. Anyone follow or share my frustration here???

Thanks!