Nckeith

Uh you may want to not be lol'ing too much buddy. Again check your facts to the latest revision.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/samantha...cond-estimate/

It dropped 2.9

AricsFX

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Okay so maybe I was wrong on the links.


But can you seriously say in ALL 4 quaters of last year showed promising growth, yet we arent in a growth spurt because of q1 this year?

Chrisc321

itore87

Before I bought my 2011 F150. I started out looking at Toyota. Takoma and Tundra's. The older ones 2002- 2006 most of them I looked at had frame rot, and a ton of miles on them. Ford made a lot of changes inn 2011. I like my F150 I bought the Ford out of loyalty, my Pryor truck a 93 ranger gave me many years of great service. But I know many people who have had great service from their Toyota trucks as well. In my opinion, Toyota is trying to get past their bad reputation, because of the frame rust issues. Time will tell if their frames have improved. The Toyota rusty frame issue is what swayed me to buy Ford. I keep my trucks on average 20 years. My 93 rangers still has a strong frame and no body rust. I can't say I have seen a 93 Toyota with out rust lately.

nathan_nathaniel

I was selected recently (maybe some of you were also) to participate in a research survey regarding F150 versus Tundra. The introduction of the survey made it very clear that these 2 trucks were direct competitors, in that F150 buyers are generally considering Tundra as an option and vice versa. No mention of Ram in this survey.

All the questions were about why you bought a Ford instead of Toyota. I guess it was commissioned by Ford, which does not want to loae business to Toyota. A lot of questions about gas mileage and truck price/value.

I did consider a Tundra before buying my third (current) F150, but discarded the idea based on price and gas mileage. I also MUCH prefer Ford styling... and I was enticed by EcoBoost power too.

snobdds

Toyota had the Tacoma frames of 95-2005 ish built by Dana Corp, an American company. Dana denied all issues and Toyota finally dumped them. Irony?

I have a 1988 Toyota truck that is bomb proof. I take it to my cabin all the time because it's one of the few trucks that can survive the brutal rocky roads. Toyota made every part of that truck replaceable, not consumable. For example, if the starter goes out...I replace the starter contacts and plunger, not the entire starter. If the power steering pimp goes out, there is a rebuild kit and it's new again. I appreciate that logic from Toyota.

djfllmn

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22RE? i love that engine...cant kill em

snobdds

Yep, the 22re. Dead nuts reliable and easy to work on.

I've had a lot of trucks over the years, but the 88 is part of the family at this point is will never get sold.

djfllmn

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yea how many miles you have on it?

sgtpatiolantern

I never considered any imported trucks when shopping for mine. I have no experience owning imports, I have always owned American. I have no feeling one way or another about how they compare to American vehicles aside from the fact that they don't build any that visually appeal to me. I have never known people who have had bad experiences with imports either. The American made trucks, and mine in particular, have satisfied my requirements and offered plenty more on top of that.

Years ago many claimed that vehicles built in Japan were so much better crafted that those built in North America. Now they are built here as well, and I don't think they lost any quality, but the American automakers have caught up and in many ways surpassed the Japanese. It's all down to preference now. They all have their merits, and all have their quirks. You could go on forever about every last feature on a vehicle, and never agree on one being superior over another. How much more nitpicking before we realize that they are all essentially the same level?

I am beyond happy with my Ford. I dig the value, the style, the comfort and the reliability. I don't really care about biased comparisons telling me how inferior it is to another product, because when I am driving it I just don't believe it.

I will concede, however, that it's important to have the competition building better and better vehicles because if they didn't, there would be no need to improve.