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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dieselhunter44
That seems like normal charging system behavior. Its not an "on-off" system like the old days, its variable and can can produce voltage and current on an as needed basis. My truck starts cold at 14.0-14.2 and can dip as low as 12.5 driving around. The charging system is only used when its needed and even when its on its not always used to its full potential.

As for the battery, 3 years on the factory battery is about normal. OEM batteries from any manufacturer aren't known for being very reliable, getting 3 years out of one is pretty good in my book!

Get the mirror fixed and try to enjoy the truck!

Sorry for the bad luck so far..
I got 7 years out of my 2007 GMC battery 3 years is a joke.

My boat batteries last longer than that.
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tanked_darren
I got 7 years out of my 2007 GMC battery 3 years is a joke.

My boat batteries last longer than that.
You do realize that Ford, and (insert any other make) don't make the batteries right?

Batteries are a crap shoot at best.
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 10:17 PM
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its a 2012 fx4 5.0 full load
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 01:03 PM
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Principles of Operation

Charging System

The PCM -controlled, or Smart Charge charging system determines the optimal voltage set point for the charging system and communicates this information to the voltage regulator. The Smart Charge charging system is designed to set a DTC any time a charging system fault is present. All DTCs can set as continuous faults, but not all DTCs set as on-demand faults.

This system uses 2 communication lines between the PCM and the generator/voltage regulator. Both of these communication lines use Pulse-Width Modulation (PWM) . The generator communication (GENCOM) line communicates the desired set point from the PCM to the voltage regulator. The generator monitor (GENMON) line communicates the generator load and error conditions to the PCM . The GENCOM command is only sent by the PCM when it is necessary to adjust the voltage se t point. If the set point does not need to be changed, several seconds may elapse between PCM GENCOM commands. This normal operation appears in the PID as occasional bursts of pulse-width commands. The third pin on the voltage regulator, the "A" pin, is a circuit dedicated to monitor or sense battery voltage.

The PCM simultaneously controls and monitors the output of the generator. When the current consumption is high or the battery is discharged, the PCM raises engine speed as needed to increase generator output. The generator charges the battery and at the same time supplies power for all of the electrical loads that are required. The battery is more effectively charged with a higher voltage when the battery is cold and a lower voltage when the battery is warm. The PCM is able to adjust the charging voltage according to the battery temperature, calculated by using a signal from the Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor. The PCM also uses other inputs to control charging system voltage such as the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) and Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) . The voltage set point is calculated by the PCM and communicated to the voltage regulator by the GENCOM circuit based on the needs of the vehicle and the conditions.

The PCM turns off the generator during cranking to reduce the generator load and improve cranking speed. Once the engine starts, the PCM slowly increases generator output to the desired voltage.

The PCM reports any charging system faults and sends a message through High Speed Controller Area Network (HS-CAN) to the Body Control Module (BCM) . The BCM controls the charging system warning indicator by sending a message over the Medium Speed Controller Area Network (MS-CAN) to the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) . The IPC then controls charging system warning indication based on the message from the PCM through the BCM . The status of the PCM charging system warning indicator and/or message can be confirmed by viewing PCM PID generator fault indicator lamp (GENFIL). Any charging system fault detected by the PCM results in 1 or more DTCs being set and the PID GENFIL having a status of On. If equipped with a charging system warning indicator, the IPC turns the indicator on or off. If equipped with a message center, the IPC displays a CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message. When the ignition is ON and the engine is off on vehicles equipped with a message center, the CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message may not be displayed.

Under certain circumstances, the charging system may have a concern, but still keeps the battery charged and the vehicle running. GENCOM is normally used to initiate charging, but the generator may charge with a fault in this circuit. If the engine operates at more than 2,000 rpm momentarily, the generator may self-excite or start charging on its own. The charging system warning indicator is illuminated and/or CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message is displayed, and the generator operates in a default mode (approximately 13.5 volts) until the engine is turned off. When the engine is restarted and the engine operates at more than 2,000 rpm momentarily, the generator may again self-excite and again the charging system warning indicator is illuminated and/or CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message is displayed.

Electrical Energy Management

NOTE: To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.

This vehicle is equipped with load shed strategy. The Body Control Module (BCM) monitors system voltage to the BCM and the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) as well as the battery state of charge using the battery current sensor attached to the negative battery cable.

Battery State of Charge

The BCM uses the battery current sensor to keep track of the battery state of charge. The battery current sensor is a Hall-effect sensor attached to the battery ground cable. During a drive cycle the Electrical Energy Management software will adjust the battery state of charge by monitoring the charge and discharge current and adjusting the state of charge up during charging, and down during discharge. During rest periods (key off with no electrical loads) when the vehicle enters sleep mode, the battery voltage is sampled to recalibrate the State of Charge. The BCM automatically executes this recalibration anytime the vehicle enters sleep mode and when the total vehicle current draw is below 300mA. It takes 8 hours in the sleep mode to recalibrate the battery state of charge to high accuracy. If the system draw does not allow the battery state of charge recalibration over the previous 7 to 10 days the State of Charge quality factor will change to flag this and some Electrical Energy Management Functions which rely on the accuracy of the battery state of charge may be temporarily turned off until a recalibration takes place.

Engine Off Load Shed

When the engine is off, and the BCM determines the battery state of charge is below 40% or 10% of the charge has been drained or 45 minutes have elapsed, a load shed message is sent over the Controller Area Network (CAN) . This message turns off the audio/navigation system to save the remaining battery charge. Under this condition, the Front Display Interface Module (FDIM) displays SYS OFF TO SAVE BATT (without navigation) or BATTERY SAVER — SYSTEM OFF PLEASE START THE ENGINE (with navigation) to notify the driver that battery protection actions are active.

Engine off load shed occurs when the engine is not running, and the ignition is in the ACC or RUN position. To clear the load shed state, restart the engine.

NOTE: To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.

When the ignition is in the RUN position and load shed occurs, the IPC message center displays either TURN POWER OFF TO SAVE BATT (base message center) or TURN POWER OFF TO SAVE BATTERY (optional message center). The audio/navigation system will shut down after the message center displays it's warning.

If a fault occurs with the battery current sensor or circuit(s), the only engine off load shed strategy is a 45 minute timer. After 45 minutes have elapsed, the audio/navigation system turns off. To clear the load shed state, restart the engine.

Engine Running Load Shed

When the BCM and/or PSCM voltage is low, with the engine running, a message is sent by the BCM to either minimize or shut down the climate controlled seats, rear defrost, heated mirrors and Dual Automatic Temperature Control (DATC) blower motor to improve system voltage. Under this condition, the IPC message center displays either LOW BATTERY LESS FEATURES (base message center) or LOW BATTERY FEATURES TEMPORARILY TURNED OFF (optional message center) to notify the driver that battery protection actions are active.
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Old May 11, 2020 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RLXXI
Principles of Operation

Charging System

The PCM -controlled, or Smart Charge charging system determines the optimal voltage set point for the charging system and communicates this information to the voltage regulator. The Smart Charge charging system is designed to set a DTC any time a charging system fault is present. All DTCs can set as continuous faults, but not all DTCs set as on-demand faults.

This system uses 2 communication lines between the PCM and the generator/voltage regulator. Both of these communication lines use Pulse-Width Modulation (PWM) . The generator communication (GENCOM) line communicates the desired set point from the PCM to the voltage regulator. The generator monitor (GENMON) line communicates the generator load and error conditions to the PCM . The GENCOM command is only sent by the PCM when it is necessary to adjust the voltage se t point. If the set point does not need to be changed, several seconds may elapse between PCM GENCOM commands. This normal operation appears in the PID as occasional bursts of pulse-width commands. The third pin on the voltage regulator, the "A" pin, is a circuit dedicated to monitor or sense battery voltage.

The PCM simultaneously controls and monitors the output of the generator. When the current consumption is high or the battery is discharged, the PCM raises engine speed as needed to increase generator output. The generator charges the battery and at the same time supplies power for all of the electrical loads that are required. The battery is more effectively charged with a higher voltage when the battery is cold and a lower voltage when the battery is warm. The PCM is able to adjust the charging voltage according to the battery temperature, calculated by using a signal from the Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor. The PCM also uses other inputs to control charging system voltage such as the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) and Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) . The voltage set point is calculated by the PCM and communicated to the voltage regulator by the GENCOM circuit based on the needs of the vehicle and the conditions.

The PCM turns off the generator during cranking to reduce the generator load and improve cranking speed. Once the engine starts, the PCM slowly increases generator output to the desired voltage.

The PCM reports any charging system faults and sends a message through High Speed Controller Area Network (HS-CAN) to the Body Control Module (BCM) . The BCM controls the charging system warning indicator by sending a message over the Medium Speed Controller Area Network (MS-CAN) to the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) . The IPC then controls charging system warning indication based on the message from the PCM through the BCM . The status of the PCM charging system warning indicator and/or message can be confirmed by viewing PCM PID generator fault indicator lamp (GENFIL). Any charging system fault detected by the PCM results in 1 or more DTCs being set and the PID GENFIL having a status of On. If equipped with a charging system warning indicator, the IPC turns the indicator on or off. If equipped with a message center, the IPC displays a CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message. When the ignition is ON and the engine is off on vehicles equipped with a message center, the CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message may not be displayed.

Under certain circumstances, the charging system may have a concern, but still keeps the battery charged and the vehicle running. GENCOM is normally used to initiate charging, but the generator may charge with a fault in this circuit. If the engine operates at more than 2,000 rpm momentarily, the generator may self-excite or start charging on its own. The charging system warning indicator is illuminated and/or CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message is displayed, and the generator operates in a default mode (approximately 13.5 volts) until the engine is turned off. When the engine is restarted and the engine operates at more than 2,000 rpm momentarily, the generator may again self-excite and again the charging system warning indicator is illuminated and/or CHECK CHARGING SYSTEM message is displayed.

Electrical Energy Management

NOTE: To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.

This vehicle is equipped with load shed strategy. The Body Control Module (BCM) monitors system voltage to the BCM and the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) as well as the battery state of charge using the battery current sensor attached to the negative battery cable.

Battery State of Charge

The BCM uses the battery current sensor to keep track of the battery state of charge. The battery current sensor is a Hall-effect sensor attached to the battery ground cable. During a drive cycle the Electrical Energy Management software will adjust the battery state of charge by monitoring the charge and discharge current and adjusting the state of charge up during charging, and down during discharge. During rest periods (key off with no electrical loads) when the vehicle enters sleep mode, the battery voltage is sampled to recalibrate the State of Charge. The BCM automatically executes this recalibration anytime the vehicle enters sleep mode and when the total vehicle current draw is below 300mA. It takes 8 hours in the sleep mode to recalibrate the battery state of charge to high accuracy. If the system draw does not allow the battery state of charge recalibration over the previous 7 to 10 days the State of Charge quality factor will change to flag this and some Electrical Energy Management Functions which rely on the accuracy of the battery state of charge may be temporarily turned off until a recalibration takes place.

Engine Off Load Shed

When the engine is off, and the BCM determines the battery state of charge is below 40% or 10% of the charge has been drained or 45 minutes have elapsed, a load shed message is sent over the Controller Area Network (CAN) . This message turns off the audio/navigation system to save the remaining battery charge. Under this condition, the Front Display Interface Module (FDIM) displays SYS OFF TO SAVE BATT (without navigation) or BATTERY SAVER — SYSTEM OFF PLEASE START THE ENGINE (with navigation) to notify the driver that battery protection actions are active.

Engine off load shed occurs when the engine is not running, and the ignition is in the ACC or RUN position. To clear the load shed state, restart the engine.

NOTE: To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.

When the ignition is in the RUN position and load shed occurs, the IPC message center displays either TURN POWER OFF TO SAVE BATT (base message center) or TURN POWER OFF TO SAVE BATTERY (optional message center). The audio/navigation system will shut down after the message center displays it's warning.

If a fault occurs with the battery current sensor or circuit(s), the only engine off load shed strategy is a 45 minute timer. After 45 minutes have elapsed, the audio/navigation system turns off. To clear the load shed state, restart the engine.

Engine Running Load Shed

When the BCM and/or PSCM voltage is low, with the engine running, a message is sent by the BCM to either minimize or shut down the climate controlled seats, rear defrost, heated mirrors and Dual Automatic Temperature Control (DATC) blower motor to improve system voltage. Under this condition, the IPC message center displays either LOW BATTERY LESS FEATURES (base message center) or LOW BATTERY FEATURES TEMPORARILY TURNED OFF (optional message center) to notify the driver that battery protection actions are active.
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Old May 11, 2020 | 10:52 AM
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Disconnect the Battery Managemant System by unplugging the monitor ring on the neg. cable. The entire electrical system will now run somewhere around a constant 14 volts and the battery will have better reserve capacity. You might lose .01 MPG.
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