Motor Trend truck of the year...F-150
12-13-2011, 08:47 AM
#21
FX4 SCrew TT'd V6
Damn Motor Trend, I guess i need to put a bullet in my 5.0 block now. Thanks for the It's a good motor for old technology analogy. I believe the actual quote was
"On the road, the EcoBoost makes the 5.0-liter look like obsolete technology. The twin-turbo V-6 is incredibly quick and eager, power is abundant throughout the rpm range, and I didn't really notice any lag."
The TT 3.5l is Fords biggest effort to gain V8 power from smaller displacement but to claim its technology negates and makes obsolete that of the 5.0L Ti-VCT is absurd at best. I know the writing is on the wall for V8's and has been for over 2 decades but they have a high tech motor in the 5.0l NA and I'm hoping to see some of its technology make its way to the Eco class and vice versa. They also failed to mention that the Eco was the tow/work motor for the F150 where as the 5.0 is the more average user motor. Did the Eco go faster 0-60 when towing? God I would hope so as that was the design of the motor. Like some on this site they are comparing both against each other but they are for different purposes. Another issue I had with them was this statement.
In loaded, towing, and uphill testing, several judges noted how hard the 5.0-liter was working. "Power seems opposite of where you want it in a truck" to "had to keep the throttle mashed while the transmission hunted" were typical comments.
I've had 6,500lbs behind me and never felt I had to keep the throttle mashed nor did it ever hunt for gears.
Then we have the whole 0-100 bit. The Eco hits it at 18.6 seconds and the 5.0 showed --. So did they remove the speed limiter on the Eco and not the 5.0?
The 3.5 TT Eco is a platform in development. It will take years and years to make it what it can be but I do have to applaud Ford for moving ahead with it. It is not delivering the MPG that I think they were hoping for but in all fairness it is moving a lot of weight. I'm confident that within a few years we will see a better use of technology with this platform and the V8 will cease to be the engine leader by volume.
Ford utilized E85 fuel via direct injection in a 3.5l Eco and got 553 tq. The 2011-2012 Eco is the tip of the iceberg for its platform. As for the 5.0l, DI could push it to new heights. Still some life left in those old tech V8's.
"On the road, the EcoBoost makes the 5.0-liter look like obsolete technology. The twin-turbo V-6 is incredibly quick and eager, power is abundant throughout the rpm range, and I didn't really notice any lag."
The TT 3.5l is Fords biggest effort to gain V8 power from smaller displacement but to claim its technology negates and makes obsolete that of the 5.0L Ti-VCT is absurd at best. I know the writing is on the wall for V8's and has been for over 2 decades but they have a high tech motor in the 5.0l NA and I'm hoping to see some of its technology make its way to the Eco class and vice versa. They also failed to mention that the Eco was the tow/work motor for the F150 where as the 5.0 is the more average user motor. Did the Eco go faster 0-60 when towing? God I would hope so as that was the design of the motor. Like some on this site they are comparing both against each other but they are for different purposes. Another issue I had with them was this statement.
In loaded, towing, and uphill testing, several judges noted how hard the 5.0-liter was working. "Power seems opposite of where you want it in a truck" to "had to keep the throttle mashed while the transmission hunted" were typical comments.
I've had 6,500lbs behind me and never felt I had to keep the throttle mashed nor did it ever hunt for gears.
Then we have the whole 0-100 bit. The Eco hits it at 18.6 seconds and the 5.0 showed --. So did they remove the speed limiter on the Eco and not the 5.0?
The 3.5 TT Eco is a platform in development. It will take years and years to make it what it can be but I do have to applaud Ford for moving ahead with it. It is not delivering the MPG that I think they were hoping for but in all fairness it is moving a lot of weight. I'm confident that within a few years we will see a better use of technology with this platform and the V8 will cease to be the engine leader by volume.
Ford utilized E85 fuel via direct injection in a 3.5l Eco and got 553 tq. The 2011-2012 Eco is the tip of the iceberg for its platform. As for the 5.0l, DI could push it to new heights. Still some life left in those old tech V8's.
I agree with you! You are saying if they used the same technology on the 5.0L as the 3.5L it would be better, I don't think anyone would argue with you, but it is a moot point! They didn't, the probably never will. We don't need trucks with with 600HP,the market isn't there to justify it.
12-13-2011, 09:34 AM
#22
On more meds than ymeski
You feel better?
I agree with you! You are saying if they used the same technology on the 5.0L as the 3.5L it would be better, I don't think anyone would argue with you, but it is a moot point! They didn't, the probably never will. We don't need trucks with with 600HP,the market isn't there to justify it.
I agree with you! You are saying if they used the same technology on the 5.0L as the 3.5L it would be better, I don't think anyone would argue with you, but it is a moot point! They didn't, the probably never will. We don't need trucks with with 600HP,the market isn't there to justify it.
I never said the 3.5l or the 5.0l development would be a truck based only success. The 3.5l is an across the board motor that applies to many types of vehicles. One with over 500 tq would diffidently benefit the trucks and better mileage would be great for all. As for the 5.0l development; for the foreseeable future their will be a need for a V8 to make certain types of vehicle appealing to their buyers. Adding direct injection to the 5.0l would not give you a 600 hp motor. I believe it would boost power and MPG though.
As for feeling better, not really. I have this sinus headache and didn’t sleep well last night.
12-13-2011, 10:11 AM
#23
I'm curious what the 5.0 has in terms of tech that the Eco doesn't have? Not being rude (doesn't come across well on the internet), I'm genuinely curious. I would have thought that Ford would have thrown all they could at the Ecoboost engine.
12-13-2011, 10:24 AM
#24
On more meds than ymeski
Not an exclusive thing for the 5.0l but the e85 capability would be the big thing. Ford tested an Eco 3.5 that was set up to run on e85 and (with other factors in play as well) got some huge torque numbers. That plus continued research and testing in the field should lead the 3.5l to some great numbers
12-13-2011, 11:06 AM
#25
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I agree with your observation/thought.
It is clear that the EB family and technology, in various configurations is the future for Ford and the road they now have [dedicated] as the one they will travel. Moreover, I think we will see continued refinement and advancement of this EB technology with each new model year.
As far as the standard [F-150] is concerned, I think that within 3 years or so, and most likely with the new version truck in MY '14/'15, the largest available motor will be the V-6 (EB or non-EB); and you will have to go to the F-250/350 series, to get any of the V-8 types. This is similar to today, in that you can no longer order the F-250/350 with a V-10. They are now only offered on the much larger F-550/650 trucks.
No matter how 'rabid' a big block V-8 fan one might be; with respect to the 150 series, the real-world realities come in to play--sales figures/demand, the stricter CAFE standards, engine emission standards, and the cost of fuel once again rising above $4.00 gal. which is sure to happen.
Ford is looking at the big-picture and always planning today, for several years down the road.
12-13-2011, 03:40 PM
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god damn, some of you guys really get bent outa shape over what people say about the motor in your truck huh?
i cant help but think these are the same kind of people that would go home and cry if someone made fun of your haircut in school...
who cares?
as long as youre happy . . theres no reason for tears
i cant help but think these are the same kind of people that would go home and cry if someone made fun of your haircut in school...
who cares?
as long as youre happy . . theres no reason for tears
12-13-2011, 06:37 PM
#27
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I don't think the purpose of the article is to compare the EB to the 5.0 which is what this thread is turning into, again. The point is that this truck is an outstanding truck no matter what engine is in it and that is why it is getting the truck of the year award.
12-13-2011, 06:51 PM
#28
Originally Posted by bcb97
I don't think the purpose of the article is to compare the EB to the 5.0 which is what this thread is turning into, again. The point is that this truck is an outstanding truck no matter what engine is in it and that is why it is getting the truck of the year award.
12-13-2011, 06:54 PM
#29
I agree with your observation/thought.
It is clear that the EB family and technology, in various configurations is the future for Ford and the road they now have [dedicated] as the one they will travel. Moreover, I think we will see continued refinement and advancement of this EB technology with each new model year.
As far as the standard [F-150] is concerned, I think that within 3 years or so, and most likely with the new version truck in MY '14/'15, the largest available motor will be the V-6 (EB or non-EB); and you will have to go to the F-250/350 series, to get any of the V-8 types. This is similar to today, in that you can no longer order the F-250/350 with a V-10. They are now only offered on the much larger F-550/650 trucks.
No matter how 'rabid' a big block V-8 fan one might be; with respect to the 150 series, the real-world realities come in to play--sales figures/demand, the stricter CAFE standards, engine emission standards, and the cost of fuel once again rising above $4.00 gal. which is sure to happen.
Ford is looking at the big-picture and always planning today, for several years down the road.
It is clear that the EB family and technology, in various configurations is the future for Ford and the road they now have [dedicated] as the one they will travel. Moreover, I think we will see continued refinement and advancement of this EB technology with each new model year.
As far as the standard [F-150] is concerned, I think that within 3 years or so, and most likely with the new version truck in MY '14/'15, the largest available motor will be the V-6 (EB or non-EB); and you will have to go to the F-250/350 series, to get any of the V-8 types. This is similar to today, in that you can no longer order the F-250/350 with a V-10. They are now only offered on the much larger F-550/650 trucks.
No matter how 'rabid' a big block V-8 fan one might be; with respect to the 150 series, the real-world realities come in to play--sales figures/demand, the stricter CAFE standards, engine emission standards, and the cost of fuel once again rising above $4.00 gal. which is sure to happen.
Ford is looking at the big-picture and always planning today, for several years down the road.
12-13-2011, 09:42 PM
#30
On more meds than ymeski
Agreed. What Motor Trends article did was to compare the two trucks together. Although they were writing an article about the new F150 being the Truck Of The Year they went out of their way to compare these two trucks against each other. They took it from the Truck Of The Year article to the 5.0 vs Eco article.