clubsfit

wow, I can't believe you are still fighting this battle. You are right, the angles do change, and there MAY be faster wear. The problem with what you have been screaming is you have no examples of the failures you are talking about. There are way more people on here that have leveling kits with zero issues for a long time, than anyone with failures. Now the "right" way for you also includes basically non-reversible cutting and welding, for an extra inch, or inch and a half of lift. The need for aftermarket wheels, and tons of $$$. If you go 6", there is the possibility of just being too tall for some. I think unless you keep a truck for 100K and are positive you will always want a full out lift, a well done leveling kit IE: 5100's, or some type of coil over is going to be your option. I have done "real" off roading with both types of leveling kits, and the 5100's is way better for that. I have broken shocks and ripped CV boots with the spacer types. Living in WI with land to off road on helped me learn how to build stuff not to break. I drive by lots of farms, but have no experience on them.

jonbar87

no examples eh?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=level+kit+ball+joint+fail

http://www.f150online.com/forums/200...all-joint.html ("MANGLED" were his exact words)

http://www.f150online.com/forums/200...t-failure.html

https://www.f150forum.com/f38/leakin...ng-kit-105960/

http://www.gmfullsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218039

Want more? I can do this all day. Click the second link and let me know what you think.

Maybe my "ball joint farm" information wasn't so pointless after all. If you guys were smart you'd look into it a bit more instead of ridiculing someone who is trying to help

clubsfit

If you actually read these links it proves nothing. The 3rd one doesn't even talk about anything. I wasn't ridiculing you at all! Actually, I agree that leveling kits change angles of everything. What I was saying, is compared to the amount of people who have level kits, there is a VERY small % of failures. I see lifted trucks every day at the dealership, and believe me there are PLENTY of "correctly" lifted trucks that come in with broken ball joints, and other front end parts. I just was pointing out why us dummies don't all drop thousands on real lift kits. At least you aren't sensitive...

clubsfit

I can find pictures all day of broken "real" lifts if you want. Actually I can look to see if I took a picture of the truck that came in 2 weeks ago where the ball joint grenaded and the whole axle shaft yanked right out and the truck was sitting on the inside of the wheel. It still wouldn't prove that all lifts are junk would it?

jonbar87

Was that from normal use or severe off roading? Of course lifts break... ANYTHING can break. But, assuming both are exposed to normal daily stresses, a leveling kit is FAR more apt to fail than a lift that's done right...

Would someone PLEASE answer me these two questions?

1. Why is a leveling kit so much cheaper than a lift?

2. If a leveling kit is just as good as a lift, why are lifts even on the market?

Raybdogg

There's a whole lot of differences between the two. Go to a website like 4 wheel parts and you look at the 2

blakegrif

1. - because there are way less parts and labor involved.

2. - because some people want there truck to sit higher than what a leveling kit offers.

TheRevJosh

Still waiting in that 2" lift kit recommendation...

jonbar87

Oh I know that there are a whole lot of differences between the two but apparently a lot of people on this forum don't....

My 2" lift recommendation is either do it right or don't do it at all.

fordfan77

Technically a 2" level is 2" lift, unless you get a 2" body lift.

Here's what you get out of most lifts...
6" lift = 6" in front & 4" in rear
4" lift = 4" in front & 2" in rear
Knowing that, it would seem like a 2" lift would be 2" in front & 0" in rear.

I think Jonbar87 is just mad that leveling kits are more popular than his lift kit. I finally quit arguing with him, it's pointless, I don't think he will give it up until we say he is right about lifts being superior to level kits. But we all know lifts are not practical for everyone. Sometimes a level and bigger tires is just right for our needs.