Fast Lane Truck: Ecoboost vs i-Force vs Ecotec
10-07-2013, 01:07 PM
#301
dumb dumb
10-07-2013, 01:41 PM
#302
Senior Member
It doesn't quite work that way when you are not a big review site like Trucktrend or Pickuptrucks.com. They explained how they get the cars they review last year on there TFLCar side. Basically, they put in a request to a middleman company. That middleman company contacts the manufactures to get the requested vehicle. Since TFLTruck is a small time review site, they don't have the pull the biger guys do and are at the mercy of what the manufacturers send them. This is why in multiple videos they request GM to send a truck with a 5.3L 3.42 rear ratio that Chevy says can tow 9,600lbs like the F150 and Tundra in the video. I am sure they would like to review all the trucks with similar tow rating all at once, but allocating them all at one time is the hard part.
The last review with the Chevy 6.2L that you are talking about was a Chevy press event. At those events, GM will invite certain people from the press to get a chance to review their products at a location for a few days. GM provides all the competitors trucks at these events so those trucks that he tested in that last video was due to what GM provided at their press event. If you want to get mad at someone for not having even and unbiased trucks then get mad at GM. This is not new as all the manufacturer's do this in their press releases. They pick competitors vehicles to make theirs look better. As far as the same amount of runs, keep watching that video until the very end and he explains that.
It is funny that they explain most of this in the videos. If you are skipping over parts then that might be why you are missing it. Also, they are testing the 8 speed Ram too since they just got one available, but that video has not been uploaded yet.
10-07-2013, 02:17 PM
#303
Senior Member
These guys tested the new RAM ecodiesel and are just beside themselves that it makes 420 lb-ft of torque. It seems like there is already a half-ton truck engine that makes 420 lb-ft and 125 more HP than the RAM. When i first heard RAM was making a diesel half-ton I was excited but with 125 less HP and the same torque as an ecoboost i don't think its going to be too impressive.
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10-07-2013, 02:25 PM
#304
Meaner than ymeski56
Anyone else find it ironic that since Ford used the ecoboost name for their line of engines and had great success with it (not just the name but the engines themselves), suddenly GM and Dodge have "Eco" in thier engine names? Ecotec for GM and Ecodiesel for Dodge. Imitation is the best form of flattery I guess 
10-07-2013, 02:38 PM
#306
Inebriated 4 ur safety
Thread Starter
Then don't watch it dude. I am not forcing you to watch them nor am I forcing you to post nor thank people that agree with you in this thread. If you don't like these guys or get anything out of their test then move on. I or no one else is putting a gun to your head forcing you to watch, and us watching it is not bothering you yet you still are compelled to post what you think about it time and time again. I understand it is your right as a forum member to post and have your own opinion on things, but after stating your opinion on the matter numerous times you start to become a brocken record.
I tend to look at things differently then you. If I wad in the market for a truck, and my towing requirement was up to 9,000 lbs then I would find these videos informative. You may not and I get that. I understand that just because Tundra or Ram say their truck can tow 9,000(or any amount for that matter) does not mean they will tow that weight the same. Case in point on the video where both the Tundra and F150 were rated by thier manufacturers to tow the same weight of 9,600 lbs yet one couldn't even keep speed towing just 7,200 lbs while the F150 could. Seems to me that Tundra needs to lower what they say their truck can tow if it could not keep speed towing less then what they rated it for or at least have an asterisk on their tow rating saying it will not keep speed at certain elevations and inclines.
Same thing with the Chevy even though they did not make it tow a comparable trailer because of the 3.08 gear GM sent them. They towed less then what Chevy said their truck can row, and it could not even keep 10 mph below the speed limit. Seems to me that GM either is BSing it's buyers with that tow rating and needs to either lower that trucks tow rating or face the scrutiny of the truck not even being able to tow the rating they stand behind.
Think of this as you will as you have a right to which you have express on multiple occasions in this thread, but the same right you have to not like them gives me the same to like them. I myself would find these tests informative if I were in the market to buy a truck to tow up to 9,600 lbs, and would be towing in this kind of environment on some sort of regular basis. I would want to know out of all the trucks I am cross shopping on which truck will tow better with plenty of power to tow it's manufacturers tow rating, and which ones have just enough or not enough.
As far as these guys shouldn't do their own test if they don't have everything, every review company from MotorTrend to Top Gear had to start some and make do with what they have. It is the same for any small business today. You can't tell them they shouldn't even try if they don't have what the bigger companies have. They make do with what they have like the rest of us do.
You have your opinion and I respected that without commenting on it thus far. I am offering you an open invitation not to watch anymore videos I post from these guys if you don't want to.
I tend to look at things differently then you. If I wad in the market for a truck, and my towing requirement was up to 9,000 lbs then I would find these videos informative. You may not and I get that. I understand that just because Tundra or Ram say their truck can tow 9,000(or any amount for that matter) does not mean they will tow that weight the same. Case in point on the video where both the Tundra and F150 were rated by thier manufacturers to tow the same weight of 9,600 lbs yet one couldn't even keep speed towing just 7,200 lbs while the F150 could. Seems to me that Tundra needs to lower what they say their truck can tow if it could not keep speed towing less then what they rated it for or at least have an asterisk on their tow rating saying it will not keep speed at certain elevations and inclines.
Same thing with the Chevy even though they did not make it tow a comparable trailer because of the 3.08 gear GM sent them. They towed less then what Chevy said their truck can row, and it could not even keep 10 mph below the speed limit. Seems to me that GM either is BSing it's buyers with that tow rating and needs to either lower that trucks tow rating or face the scrutiny of the truck not even being able to tow the rating they stand behind.
Think of this as you will as you have a right to which you have express on multiple occasions in this thread, but the same right you have to not like them gives me the same to like them. I myself would find these tests informative if I were in the market to buy a truck to tow up to 9,600 lbs, and would be towing in this kind of environment on some sort of regular basis. I would want to know out of all the trucks I am cross shopping on which truck will tow better with plenty of power to tow it's manufacturers tow rating, and which ones have just enough or not enough.
As far as these guys shouldn't do their own test if they don't have everything, every review company from MotorTrend to Top Gear had to start some and make do with what they have. It is the same for any small business today. You can't tell them they shouldn't even try if they don't have what the bigger companies have. They make do with what they have like the rest of us do.
You have your opinion and I respected that without commenting on it thus far. I am offering you an open invitation not to watch anymore videos I post from these guys if you don't want to.
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10-07-2013, 02:46 PM
#307
Inebriated 4 ur safety
Thread Starter
True, but if Chevy says that their Ecotec 5.3L with a 3.42 rear end can tow 9,600 lbs, then it belongs in this comparison with the other trucks that have the same tow rating. If Chevy does not think it is fair that the Ecoboost out tows 9,600lbs A LOT better then their 5.3L then they need to lower the tow rating they say their truck can tow. Maybe to around 7,500 lbs. Until they do, it belongs in this comparison. Chevy just wants to look good on paper to uninformed truck buyers saying that it can tow 9,600 lbs. They can't take it back now that someone is calling them out on that weight and comparing it to the other makes 9,600 lbs to vehicles to see how each stacks up towing that much.
Last edited by Al Kohalic; 10-07-2013 at 02:53 PM.
10-07-2013, 02:56 PM
#308
It was an informative video even with some flaws.
If they don't have enough pull to get comparable trucks then they should just stay home cause they are wasting their time, proving nothing, and are purely entertainment factor only, like between three guys no one knows how to properly set a trailer brake controller? Any normal person that wasn't a complete moron even if he didn't have it set right would do that run and then say Hey wait a minute, trailer brakes are cold and the trucks are smoking, maybe I should adjust that a little and do another run cause clearly they weren't working properly. But not these jokers, they publish that video instead of taking an hour to do it over the correct way and basically admit they are morons, Haha!
I really enjoy their reviews !
10-07-2013, 03:05 PM
#310
TTV6>V8
Guys I'm not saying they didn't make a point. And I'm not trying to argue about it either. They make some really good reviews I just expressed my opinions on there reviews. And I also agree with what has been said. I will use any review to help with a decision. I will however out a heck of a lot more stock into a reviewer that isn't having his bills paid by one of the companies being reviewed. No matter if it's ford, chevy, or dodge.
Last edited by Logan24; 10-07-2013 at 03:08 PM.