Ethanol VS Gas MPG
05-28-2011, 12:07 PM
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I justed wanted to make a quick note that I observed while using E85. The engine seemed to have more pep, leading one to believe that E85 seems to have more power. When in reality E85 has less power than gas thats why it gets a lower gas mileage (less MPG). The reason it seems to have more pep is the electronic engine control advances the timing to such a degree the we sense it has more power.. In reality for us it is just the timing is advanced so far because, with 105 octane we dont get pre-ignition........
05-28-2011, 01:27 PM
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I have used it a few times and never had any problems at all switching back and forth, truck ran the same the whole time. I did drive a while after refueling like it says and I didnt notice any change at all when it was relearning or switching over, pretty seamless, Ford did a great job. A simple oil analysis will tell you the best time to change your oil if you are worried about it. I put one of these on my truck so its real easy and mess free to collect a sample. http://www.amazon.com/Fumoto-S-Type-.../dp/B004FFLEJW
If you do allow the acids to build up they can and will attack the cast iron parts in the engine, not to mention the aluminum parts.
The rail road uses straight oil with a large dose of overbase compounds to neutralize the acids in diesel. So this is not a new subject.
06-11-2011, 10:01 PM
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next what?
06-11-2011, 10:19 PM
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Anybody, anybody at all with a job with wages high enough to rate paying income taxes who thinks that they are saving money running ethanol, has been duped. I kid you not: that one gallon of ethanol you burned was subsidized by nearly $10.00 of tax-payer money and then you forked out even more money to pour it into your tank. As a nation, we'd literally be better off buying anybody who wished to purchase a gallon of ethanol two gallons of premium fuel and telling that person to put their three bucks toward their retirement and invest it.
Thankfully, here in Minnesota, a place where ethanol was rammed down our throats for years, we're beginning to fight back and now our former Governor is telling people how it really is: America can no longer afford to subsidize ethanol and he hold it to Iowan farmers.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...hanol-edition/
Thankfully, here in Minnesota, a place where ethanol was rammed down our throats for years, we're beginning to fight back and now our former Governor is telling people how it really is: America can no longer afford to subsidize ethanol and he hold it to Iowan farmers.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...hanol-edition/
If you eliminated those tarrifs the corn ethanol industry would fade on its unsustainable own.
06-11-2011, 11:52 PM
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True but partially, Ethanol from corn is bad Ethanol from sugar cane is good. Cane produces 8 times the sugar that corn does and no huge expenditure of anergy is necessary to make it. That is why part of the subsidy for corn is tariffs on cane ethanol producing nations. Nothing like some good Brazilian Vodka to spike up your tank If you eliminated those tarrifs the corn ethanol industry would fade on its unsustainable own.
If you eliminated those tarrifs the corn ethanol industry would fade on its unsustainable own.
06-12-2011, 09:01 AM
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Ethanol is BAD. Here's why:
http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm
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Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. "Put another way", Pimentel says, "about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU".
So yea, it takes more energy to grow corn and refine it into pure ethanol than the energy you get from the produced ethanol. With current technology, it's not sustainable, hence the subsidies.
http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm
Quote from above article:
Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. "Put another way", Pimentel says, "about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU".
So yea, it takes more energy to grow corn and refine it into pure ethanol than the energy you get from the produced ethanol. With current technology, it's not sustainable, hence the subsidies.
06-12-2011, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaborkian
Ethanol is BAD. Here's why:
http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm
Quote from above article:
Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. "Put another way", Pimentel says, "about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU".
So yea, it takes more energy to grow corn and refine it into pure ethanol than the energy you get from the produced ethanol. With current technology, it's not sustainable, hence the subsidies.
http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm
Quote from above article:
Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. "Put another way", Pimentel says, "about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU".
So yea, it takes more energy to grow corn and refine it into pure ethanol than the energy you get from the produced ethanol. With current technology, it's not sustainable, hence the subsidies.
06-12-2011, 10:04 AM
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Yawn.
How about we all pretend this post didn't happen until next week. We can then start the same argument over.
There are lots of things that dupe people. Do your own research, make your own decisions, and then live with them. Or, buy an EB and don't worry about flex fuel ><
How about we all pretend this post didn't happen until next week. We can then start the same argument over.
There are lots of things that dupe people. Do your own research, make your own decisions, and then live with them. Or, buy an EB and don't worry about flex fuel ><
06-12-2011, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sterlingone
Wow, do I wish we actually had a choice here NOT to buy E85. In Washington state, ALL of our gas --- everywhere, all the time -- is E85. When we did have a choice a few years ago, I'd get 31 to 32 mpg in our car and 26 with E85.
as to the subsidies........you also have to count the increased cost of the food at the grocery store when foods are converted to fuel. I've read articles that say that gallon of E85 fuel -- in real costs -- is worth 4 to 5 times in additional costs:
1. Government printing money and in debt to support the subsidies (plus the interest on the debt).
2. Every car in the US getting worse MPG on E85.
3. Increased cost at the grocery store.
4. The cost of all the lobbyists in D.C. to keep this ridiculous farce foisted on the American public.
5. PRICELESS!
as to the subsidies........you also have to count the increased cost of the food at the grocery store when foods are converted to fuel. I've read articles that say that gallon of E85 fuel -- in real costs -- is worth 4 to 5 times in additional costs:
1. Government printing money and in debt to support the subsidies (plus the interest on the debt).
2. Every car in the US getting worse MPG on E85.
3. Increased cost at the grocery store.
4. The cost of all the lobbyists in D.C. to keep this ridiculous farce foisted on the American public.
5. PRICELESS!