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Old Mar 25, 2017 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by masitile
It isn't, but I'm actually glad I said it... Maybe it will get people to understand a true strut is an integral part of the front suspension.
Whereas a coilover is just a shock modified to handle a spring.

It may also get more to stop calling them struts like me and most everyone who casually mentions they need replacing.
Now if there was a way to get people to quit referring to wheels as rims!!!!
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Old Apr 1, 2017 | 07:01 PM
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I've just installed the 5100's and I can tell a bit of a difference with the bounce and especially the cornering with the truck. I assume it'll get better as it gets broken in? Now should I have the front shocks/struts changed too? I would probably get the 5100's for it as well.

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Old Apr 1, 2017 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by masitile
It isn't, but I'm actually glad I said it... Maybe it will get people to understand a true strut is an integral part of the front suspension.
Whereas a coilover is just a shock modified to handle a spring.

It may also get more to stop calling them struts like me and most everyone who casually mentions they need replacing.
Can you explain to me how the front shocks, coil overs, struts or whatever you choose to call them are not an integral part of the front suspension on the F150?
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rrp0968
Can you explain to me how the front shocks, coil overs, struts or whatever you choose to call them are not an integral part of the front suspension on the F150?
If you were to remove the coil over from our front end. Technically it will still roll forward and stop.
A true 'strut' in the sense of the word. In most other vehicles, it is a mounting point of which the lower part of the suspension and the steering are bolted to.
Take out the strut. The vehicle can't move at all, thus the vehicle is un-drivable.
I would classify that as less integral.

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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rrp0968
Can you explain to me how the front shocks, coil overs, struts or whatever you choose to call them are not an integral part of the front suspension on the F150?
Also, a vehicle with a strut does not use an upper control arm and ball joint like our trucks do. Therefore making the strut a structural part of the suspension and the shock is not.
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 2008__XL
Also, a vehicle with a strut does not use an upper control arm and ball joint like our trucks do. Therefore making the strut a structural part of the suspension and the shock is not.
And there's that as well. Good point!

I probably should've versed my original post as structural instead of integral.

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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:35 AM
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I would think that the shock/strut/spring in the F150 is a structural component as well. If you remove it, the suspension would collapse, unlike on the rear, where you can remove the shock and the lead packs will support the truck. The only difference between the shock/spring assembly on the F150 and a McPherson Strut that you would find on a small car, is the separate steering knuckle on the F150. Everything else is the same. Even in the Monroe link above, when they are comparing shocks and struts, they are using examples like on the rear of the F150 and the front. Even Monroe, the manufacturer of these units, calls the front assembly on the F150 a strut.
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rrp0968
I would think that the shock/strut/spring in the F150 is a structural component as well. If you remove it, the suspension would collapse, unlike on the rear, where you can remove the shock and the lead packs will support the truck. The only difference between the shock/spring assembly on the F150 and a McPherson Strut that you would find on a small car, is the separate steering knuckle on the F150. Everything else is the same. Even in the Monroe link above, when they are comparing shocks and struts, they are using examples like on the rear of the F150 and the front. Even Monroe, the manufacturer of these units, calls the front assembly on the F150 a strut.
As stated they're not the same. The car with a strut would not have an upper control arm.
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:44 AM
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What does the UCA have to do with anything? The UCA is there to accommodate the upper ballpoint. The design is identical, with the exception of the steering.

My question still has not been answered about the F150 front shock/spring not being a structural component.

Maybe we will just have to agree to disagree.
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rrp0968
I would think that the shock/strut/spring in the F150 is a structural component as well. If you remove it, the suspension would collapse, unlike on the rear, where you can remove the shock and the lead packs will support the truck. The only difference between the shock/spring assembly on the F150 and a McPherson Strut that you would find on a small car, is the separate steering knuckle on the F150. Everything else is the same. Even in the Monroe link above, when they are comparing shocks and struts, they are using examples like on the rear of the F150 and the front. Even Monroe, the manufacturer of these units, calls the front assembly on the F150 a strut.
This really got off track when I casually said 'strut' instead of coil over.
It's obvious the truck would be useless with without the "coil-over installed.

It's more of a breakdown of the true meaning between an actual strut that the suspension is designed around and how they play a much bigger role in the front suspension, than ours do.
Our trucks will drive with a broken spring or a completely blown shock and some would be none the wiser. I guarantee there some out there now and have no idea the spring is broken.

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